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i don't think that the NBA is the best known league for defense, but even in other leagues there are similiar stats at shooting.

But i would say the actual system is pretty balance, and it was still fun even when you usually shoot one from 10 when you play Look inside, from the 3point line. If you adjust that, the chanche is pretty good that outside Offense become to powerfull and i won't risk that.

Additional is it a problem in training behaviour, outside defense is much more common then Jumprange.

I personally would be in favor of raising the mean rate of 3 point attempts, in doing the NBA simulations I did have to raise the mean rates quite a bit.... I think I would do it gradually... start with a 5 percentage point bump across the board, so to give teams time to readjust to the new game balance.

EDIT: SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS MIGHT BE MISLEADING.. PLEASE READ (66639.86)

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:58:16 PM

My complaint with outisde shooting lately is that a pair of guards paid 5k each and a 3-2 defense can shut down an outside offense quite easily. I have been playing r&g since day 1 (season 4 for me), and the more I train my shooters, the lower my percentages are getting, specially from beyond the arc.

And this season, I have lost games to teams wich had garbage for backcourts. To the point that I'm considering selling the whole team and starting over by training inside players. I didn't start a thread like this one because no one else was complaining, but I felt like it many times. Either outside shooting is somehow broken or I don't get some part of the game.

edit: No profanity, please

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 12/31/2008 2:13:50 PM

i just did what i thought would be reasonable... took the 3 point percentage of NBA players in real life compared to the average 3 point shooting percentage of the nba, set the average to a jump range of 5 and chose a reasonable linear scale factor.

I also did something which i thought was reasonable for the defensive ratings, then started tweaking the mean of the 3 point shooting percentage in the engine till it seemed to match reality reasonably well.... then eyeballed the variations around the average and they seeme din the ball park, though they would probably be tuned better.

I am curious whether the outside shooting rate has drifted down over time in BB due to the distribution of ratings... I seem to recall that it used to be higher.

I have noticed a drop in effectiveness as well. I still have good shooters, but I've dropped a bit percentage-wise. I really don't think teams are defending me better, just the shooters are missing more this season. I'm still leading the league, but i'm down a bit from last season.

i have 0 respect for your argument, it is underhanded at best.

Of course that sample is small. If you take the 9 best shooters, and then put a further arbitrary screen, you damn well better have shooters shoot 37% from the arc (Keep in mind thats very near the NBA AVERAGE, not the top end)

Again, in my division in the US, there is only one team out of 8 that is shooting better than the WORST team in the real life NBA. The NBBA teams dont fare better.

I think shooting percentages are low in general, but they are absurdly low from beyond the arc. Instead of acknowledging that bb-wide the percentages are too low, you are drawing samples of 9 people or fewer, or finding little picky arguments that maybe one of my players shouldnt have such a high percentage.

But I am done discussing with you. Its clear from your tone and temprament that you are not a pleasant person to talk with.

I have made my point and thank you all for your time.

well, if every team has sucky 3 point shooting, im pretty sure its time to go after the system.

I did my very own little experiment, and searched for players with 12+ JR. I found 9 (nine) of them, as opposed to the 84 with 12+ JS and 46 with 12+ IS.

Of this very small sample, everyone who had at least half-decent passing (read: didn't jack up any opportunity he got, thus damaging his shooting percentage beyond repair), had 3FG% of .370 or better.

The results are pretty much the same when you expand the search criteria to 11+ JR and 4+ Pass.

I think you should calm your tone down a little bit... you have my sympathy with regards to outside shooting percentages being raised... i dont think anything he said had an unreasonable tone. I will add again that we need to consider the ratings relative to the defensive ratings... people with higher JS or JR arent going to automatically shoot better if their opponents dont.

I did my own experiment and looked at division 2 in the US. The average starting guard in that division has
3.55 IS 3.68 ID, 7.0 JR 7.9 PD

so they defense is stronger than the outside shooting so i would expect that shooting would be lower than we tried to calibrate shooting...that being said it is my impression that outside shooting is low.. and I would like to raise it (see recent thread in global english for my discussion there as well).

EDIT: SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS MIGHT BE MISLEADING.. PLEASE READ (66639.86)


Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:58:33 PM