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What I am saying is that you can't assume that the draft is guard heavy, when it's actually big man heavy. The only point to train your own draft player is the merc bonus. If you want that, then you have to change the training focus of your team. If you don't want to change the training focus, you have to tank until you get lucky enough to get that good guard in the draft. You can't train two players in one spot anyway, if you don't want to sacrifice your teams success. Unless you are in a micronation:) You can train your starter + trainee and give leftover minutes at the training spot to the actual backup.
I just think this is such a trivial problem...

I don't remember where I assumed that the draft would be "guard heavy" , not "guard balanced" or even "guard light" but instead I hoped that it wouldn't be "guard non-existant" > I hoped that there would be one guard in the draft that could be trained to at least be a useful player, not an ATG, not a HoF, not a MVP, not a $7K starting salary, not a $6k starting salary, not a $5k starting salary but just one guard in the entire draft that was worth training.

PS: Your constant misquoting of what I say to try and prove your point is no more effective than your personal attacks. I want to have a reasonable discussion about the merits of improving the quality of the players in the draft, you just seem to want to win an argument no matter what it takes. First the ad hominom argument, now the straw man argument. You just like Sophistry not the truth. Why?

Lets stick to the stats, I will restate them again.

NBA
Team Draft Picks FA or Waivers Trade Total
ATL 4 9 2 15
BOS 3 5 7 15
CHA 3 3 9 15
CHI 4 5 4 13
CLE 4 4 7 15
DAL 0 7 8 15
DEN 1 4 10 15
DET 8 5 0 13
GSW 6 5 3 14
HOU 3 2 10 15
IND 5 3 5 13
LAC 4 6 3 13
LAL 6 6 2 14
MEM 4 5 6 15
MIA 2 9 4 15
MIL 6 3 6 15
MIN 5 3 7 15
NJN 2 7 6 15
NOR 0 5 10 15
NYK 3 5 7 15
OKC 7 1 7 15
ORL 4 3 8 15
PHI 8 2 4 14
PHX 2 7 5 14
POR 4 5 6 15
SAC 7 2 5 14
SAN 7 3 3 13
TOR 3 6 6 15
UTH 6 4 3 13
WAS 7 1 7 15
Total 128 137 169 434

So for the NBA only two teams have no draft picks, one has one, three have two, five have three, seven have four, two have five, four have six, four have seven and two have eight.

So for the NBA the range is 8, the median is 4.5, the mode is 4 and the mean is 4.266666666666.

I can't do stats for all the top leagues in BB, but I would specualte it is more like a range of 6, median of 1 mode of 0 and mean of 1.5 based on the two leagues I do know Australia and India and most of those are worthless 3k scrimmage scrubs or players from the dim dark past that are no loner important. How many players have their star as the player they drafted like Chicago, Miami or OKC? (If we had this discussion a season ago we could have added in a ton of extra teams like Cleveland, Charlotte, Denver and Orlando) I will be willing to bet it is very rare.

You are wasting your time with stats.
You will get the same not-relevant general answers.

There is no mistaking that almost any team has young (draft) players that it trains.
There is no need for the statistics to show it.
It is ridiculos that a BB-managing game will become an eBay-game (at most) on the first division, and it is even more ridicolus that some are fighting to keep it this way.

As I read here more than once, some of the old user got so bored with that, that they tanked intentionaly to a lower league for realy experiencing the world of BB-managing (which to remind all, is what this game suppose to be about).

The only objection they have can be summarized as - It will not suite our team, and by that may affect their overall performance comparingly.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 1/3/2012 7:06:22 PM

And you base your assumption on what? All I´ve seen from you so far is ignoring other people´s positions and trying to disqualify ANY other opinion than your own as "you´re just afraid to lose your position". Pretty one-way discussing, and pretty infantile.

There´s PLENTY reasons to be for or against any proposal. Actually, we can turn the knife. Maybe your only reason to post all those millions of change suggestions is envy. You´re simply jealous and impatient. Prove otherwise.

And don´t hit me with "you don´t want to lose your position" bullshit. I don´t have no position, I am NOT an ancient team. I´m posting quite alot SERIOUS suggestions about things I see as "improveable" while FOLLOWING discussions and talking to other users. So most of my suggestions are really based on my observance of peoples´ opinions, opposed to your constant "new players keep leaving because of ..." (and I still wait for ANY sign of relevance that the opinion you keep posting here over and over is anything but your own).

I´d really appreciate your input if you would stop insulting everybody not sharing your point of view the way you are. Stop ignoring other peoples opinions, and stop pretending that "but I´m right" is the way to settle an argument. Whenever data is against you (which happens quite alot), it´s "don´t bother with statistics", on the other hand you come up with numerous subjective observations and once YOU present any stats, they are right by default? Start DISCUSSING.

As usual.
Lots of words, but no content...

Have you provided a reason why it should not work? NO

Is it a relevant BB-managing feature? YES

If that would have been set today, would you lose from that? YES

but in the nba the chanche of having an player from the own draft is 1 of 30 or maybe 32 if we consider the undrafted, that a player is from the own draft.

In BB is it around 1 of 50000, and the possibility that the draft you like is not in your league draft is also considerally higher ;)

Also did you consider traded picks as trades or draft?