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As you just admitted in (1) that current status is not fair, you can narrow the it in two ways.
a) Open this new feature to all.
b) Close this feature to newbies (until they play a full season or so)
The newbies will suffer some unfairness but only in the first season (compared to current status which is - always).

In addition, unfairness in a game (any game) pushes users away from the game much more than anything else.

you really meant this serious, with this change you get unfairness. Today you have fairness, so you like to scare of user with your suggestion.

The logic that brang you to this conclusion is very... interesting.

Currently there is no fairness - it gives advantage to those who have more flexible time.
This game is about BB managing and not about making your time flexible.
The suggestion will make it fair, at least under that aspect.

In case you are claiming that it gives advantage - because it enable all users to be part of any auction unlike current status - then you approve that current status is unfair.
In case you don't, so how will it cause unfairness?

If you are saying that the new system will be too much for the new users (which is ridiculous), then you can disable it for them, and still the game will be more fair for them then it currently is, as this unfairness will be for a short while - unlike current status.

Basically you are trying to give excuse that contradicts anything you claimed previously, and even contradicts itself in the same sentence...

Dude are you still sticking with this? You've gone on for how many posts and you still haven't managed to convince anyone. give it a rest...

Last edited by Coolbobj at 10/27/2011 4:52:13 AM

For me fairness is having in rpiority the same chanches, and oppurtunitys. When all play in the same enviroment, i can say it is fairness. That effort and knowledge gives ltiile advatages is also ok.

But giving newbies, less oppurtunitys and very boring bidwars against bot, which he mostly had to face who never make mistakes, who aren't affected by psychological games is an disadvantage cause normal bidding get very boring with existing autobids.(and you don't need much time even in the current transfer system)
So forcing newbies to make something boring, would at least for me a reason to quit and is not the sense of a game wihich should be enjoying.

Most people like the current bidding, and find it enjoying. I believe you that there are for sure people, who would prefer autobids, but that bidding against a maschine is the dsame fun like against a user you are the only one who believes it.

But giving new and old users and different enviroment then there opponents is unfair, cause you didn't have the same chanches.

Where is the facepalm icon here?

My reasoning on the vote is not the reason that I bring. It's just a reply to your absurd claim that the vote is splitted.
It takes some science-fiction attitude to say that when 67% of the voters agree that it is a bad idea, the vote is splitted.


And what's with this breaking my argument into pieces from bottom to top?
That is some unfair way to argument.
Try again with the correct order at least.

You are still blabbing about the same things. Can you already get the fact that noone is leaving the game because of the TL bidding system. Get real already...

In case you are claiming that it gives advantage - because it enable all users to be part of any auction unlike current status - then you approve that current status is unfair.

So what are you claiming now? That offline users are not a part of the bidding system now and will be in the new system? If you bid 300k on a player now and 300k with your new proposed system -> whats the difference, if the player get's sold for 600k. Neither would be online to bid anyway. If the player would sell for 250k, then both bidding systems would win the player to the bidder. The only thing you are trying to do here is get profit on low priced players. You are not improving the chance of getting the player.
You keep choosing things to answer and manage to produce false facts "that you know for sure", but actually are not facts. This is getting amusing already. You have many suggestions open where your reasoning is just so bizarre. Noone here is agreeing with you. Can you give it a rest already?

Well, when you have such a "good claim" what can I say...

I don't need to conveince those who like to benefit for the unfairness advantage of current system.
I need to conveince the developers that this is a top ptiority feature.
And it definately is.

Basically the excuses you keep bringing make it easier for me, as I'm covering each point, and on the other hand, you are keeping proving that there are those who benefit from this unfairness system.

You sound like Berlusconi... "I am always right, and if the others try to prove me wrong... it's a conspiracy!"

For me fairness is having in rpiority the same chanches, and oppurtunitys. When all play in the same enviroment, i can say it is fairness. That effort and knowledge gives ltiile advatages is also ok.

It does not give, as not all can be that flexible with time, and being flexible with time does not make you a better BB manager.

You could also have a law asking money from whom who can jump higher than 2 meters - gives the same environment to whole. No?
Or have some law about the hair color. And so on...
It si not the same environment, as the game is not dedicated only to those who are flexible with time.

But giving newbies, less oppurtunitys and very boring bidwars against bot, which he mostly had to face who never make mistakes, who aren't affected by psychological games is an disadvantage cause normal bidding get very boring with existing autobids.(and you don't need much time even in the current transfer system)
So forcing newbies to make something boring, would at least for me a reason to quit and is not the sense of a game wihich should be enjoying.

1) Again, you are implying that on current system one who cannot attend will put the max price on a player from the start.
This same price is the highest price one will put in the Auto-Bid system by definition.
After that the regular bidding starts.
So what is the difference?

2) In case you are here because of the auction bidding (which sounds ridiculous), than why BB managing?
Go to eBay or such.
In case you think most users will leave because of that, this mean that the auction is a ground for a new game!!!
Go and develop it!
We both know you are giving excuses due to the fact that I've pointed out that users are leaving the game due to the unfairness of current system.

Most people like the current bidding, and find it enjoying. I believe you that there are for sure people, who would prefer autobids, but that bidding against a maschine is the dsame fun like against a user you are the only one who believes it.

Again comes the excuse that I stand alone supporting it.
The votes prove that it aint so. Regardless which opinion was supported more.
The other excuses had been answered before (more than once), and here as well.

Again, I'll remind that for keeping this essence of the game (upon your "opinion"), I also suggested before that half (for example) of the auctions will be w/o auto-bids (although there is no reason for that).
So, what will be your excuse to a system like that?

But giving new and old users and different enviroment then there opponents is unfair, cause you didn't have the same chanches.

Because differenet environment to those who flexible with time (small group) and those who are not is "much more fair" than those who are new (much smaller group) and those who are not...

And again, if you are saying that this ne suggested system gives an advantage comparing with those who don't.
And due to the fact that it only gives user the posibility to be part of any auction.
Due to both of that it means that not being able to be part of any auction (due to not flexible time) is unfairness.
As this group of users who their time is not that flexible, you basicaly proved my claim right and yours as an excuse.

Again with your none existing claims and with no respond to any argument you received (like some other parts of the group who do the same), you prove that I was right and you basically just seek for excuses, and not to a solution or any proof that one system is better than the others.

You keep hoping that the voting here as a meaning, but it has none.
It proves that there are a group that finds current system bad, and that it is needed to be handled.
How it is needed to be handled will be decided by the developers.
A group of 37% is a lot for defining a crisis that they will want to handle.

You are still blabbing about the same things. Can you already get the fact that noone is leaving the game because of the TL bidding system. Get real already...

Well, this is a lie as a fact, as one of the users who wrote here implied just that!

Those who already left, with great supporise, could not speak their stand here.

Those who has less time, will not be in forums a lot.

"Amazingly", those who claim against the new system, and with passion, are those who visited here a lot...
Now lets think whether they are those who are more flexible with time than the others.
Let's think why they (and you) prefer current auction system that gives that great advantage for those who are so flexible with time...

So what are you claiming now? That offline users are not a part of the bidding system now and will be in the new system? If you bid 300k on a player now and 300k with your new proposed system -> whats the difference,

If you think it is the same, so why are you against the suggested system? A realy bad excuse this time...

The difference (as you know and fear to change due to the known reasons) is that in current system he can only bet with the max value.
It may never come to that in the new auction system suggested.
By that he will not have the disadvantage to pay over value for a player.

Yes, money plays a big role in this game. "BIG SUPPRISE".
I'm sure that your tactic is not puting your max amount you believe a player worth and then goes to do other stuff.

Your bluff is just so obvious.

Do you realy believe that the developers will beliieve those lies?

It does not give, as not all can be that flexible with time, and being flexible with time does not make you a better BB manager.

you don't must be flexible, but investing time helps you and when you do then players run out also in this time period. You are intrested in.

You could also have a law asking money from whom who can jump higher than 2 meters - gives the same environment to whole. No?

quite sure those humans will have better chanches to land in the nba, then dudes with the same skill who can not. So why is it bad for them

1) Again, you are implying that on current system one who cannot attend will put the max price on a player from the start.
This same price is the highest price one will put in the Auto-Bid system by definition.
After that the regular bidding starts.
So what is the difference?

lets say autobid 1= 100k,starting price 1k, user willing to pay 110k.

So after the autobid the player cost 1k, now the player bids 2k and the autobid raise the price to 3k and so .. Now you are bidding against a maschine, which is for me atall people here in the thread besides you boring. Maybe it starts a bit higher when there is a second autobid on, but for more expensiv player the difference might be even higher.

That is a big diffeence if you bid against a maschine or a human.

[qAgain comes the excuse that I stand alone supporting it.
The votes prove that it aint so. Regardless which opinion was supported more.]

the votes show, that some people would like autobid more then the current system. Not that they like to have both, at one time, cause it isn't asked. And all who are said something about are against you, when i exclude you so i can say it like that in that matter.

[q2) In case you are here because of the auction bidding (which sounds ridiculous), than why BB managing?
Go to eBay or such.]

ebay have the auto bids so i prefer it here. And as i said, i am neutral in this case i can live with both but don't see really the necessarity to change anything. I play BB for more reasons, and use pretty less time to buying players. But if you have time for the game, there are other places you get bigger advantages, and i think it is fine so causse is it not a fair game like i roll a dice and you role a dice and the bigger number wins.

Because differenet environment to those who flexible with time (small group) and those who are not is "much more fair" than those who are new (much smaller group) and those who are not...

really bad arguing always saying that when you against it, is it just to keep competion away from us. As i said there are more challenging stuff, you need to invest time in it mastering the game ... And to destroy your illusions most people who try to argue with you here, also try to explain the keys to game in other forum(mostly with more succes, since you still say iaam against it in general). Which give managers are lot easier start, to figure out things and make then their opposition. So why we would do that, when we are just egoist who try to keep other user down if we help then in far more important aspect on their road to succes.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 10/27/2011 2:29:18 PM