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From: Ashurri

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Date: 2/3/2012 6:48:41 AM
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No, I never implied that at all. I was just trying to put things into perspective, saying that sometimes it isn't always better to finish 5th than 4th. People are talking like 5th is always better. There can be exceptions. I've proven my point to Beener. And you're trying to make me sound like everyone should do that. But I did not. I'm just saying that there's a case where 4th might be better for some teams. They might not have a chance to beat the 1st seed, so just sell before the playoffs starts and they can earn much more than finishing fifth.

edit: i also don't mean to say teams should sell. there are already many teams operating with low salary.

Last edited by Ashurri at 2/3/2012 6:52:05 AM

From: Dodor

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:05:37 AM
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Ok, maybe you found an exception that happens in 1 out of 20 leagues. That's not the point of the conversation. The fact is that finishing 3rd or 4rd earns you less money than finishing 5th or 6th in 95% of cases.

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:23:31 AM
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So you found an example of a guy that was either a new user or gutted his team that made money finishing 4th. Congrats, assuming your math is correct I stand corrected as promised.

Now what about the other 99% of the leagues in BB? Can you do the math on them?

Sorry but you're not 'putting things into perspective', you're simply closing your eyes to the reality of the situation. In our league this year, teams in both divisions were jockeying to finish in 5th place because everyone had figured out it was better financially. One 5th place finisher even bragged about it in the league forums after the season. Get up into the higher divisions with the bigger payrolls and the situation just gets worse. Do you see the problem here yet or are you are simply recommending that all 4th place teams gut their roster to the salary floor before playoffs to avoid it?

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 2/3/2012 7:40:31 AM

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206156.134 in reply to 206156.133
Date: 2/3/2012 7:41:21 AM
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Gee, I already pointed out something you said will never be found. Now you're saying I'm recommending 4th place teams to gut their salaries. And also saying that it's the case with everyone else.

You are so low.

I did not, in any way, imply such a thing.

What I said was there might be exceptions to this 5th being better than 4th. This is why I said we need to put things into another perspective: Teams that have a roster with a low salary heading into the playoffs. They can have that same team all season for what I care but they place better than 5th which helps them get better ratings in their survey rating, get more from the gate receipts.

Seriously, you are so low.

From: Ashurri

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:43:18 AM
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Yes, I was just pointing out another thing that can happen, saying that there's a possibility for someone at 4th to be better than 5th when I was talking to Beener. Better survey. Better financially. But I never said it's always better to finish 4th. I was just pointing out something that people miss.

From: Ashurri

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Date: 2/3/2012 7:47:14 AM
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I don't know what's wrong with people here. When I say there was an exception to something, which was true, I am being made to sound like, oh wait, they said I AM, I'm advocating that exception.

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206156.137 in reply to 206156.134
Date: 2/3/2012 7:59:06 AM
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Sorry, I didn't mean to attack. I even edited my post after I re-read it because it did sound harsh.

Just do the math on your own team for your own league. Work out how much you'd make finishing 4th and how much you'd make finishing 5th. I'm guessing that just like 99% of the BB world, you'd make more for finishing 5th.

What you said earlier is 'we're not putting it into perspective'. As in those that were complaining about the playoff economy. Your math skills are obviously strong so I'm guessing that you can see what we're all complaining about now.

Again, sorry, didn't mean to attack you.

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Date: 2/3/2012 8:05:03 AM
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I actually sound very harsh when I talk or write too as English is not my first language so I think I'd like to apologize as well. Wording it by saying putting things into perspective might sound like I want to put a stamp on what's wrong/right. Yes, the math would show that I would earn less if I finish 4th compared to fifth.

Apologies accepted.

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206156.139 in reply to 206156.137
Date: 2/3/2012 10:03:32 PM
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Except, as a fifth place team, your fans are going to feel worse about your season as next season starts. Meaning that your gate revenues next season are likely to be lower than the would have been if you finished fourth.

And since your whole league now knows you're a tanker, they're more likely to go after you in league games (never know when you'll decide to tank a game for one reason or another), thus making you more likely to lose games you might have won if people decided you weren't worth the risk of going after, further depressing your future gate receipts.

From: 7ton

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Date: 2/4/2012 12:04:25 AM
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Except, as a fifth place team, your fans are going to feel worse about your season as next season starts. Meaning that your gate revenues next season are likely to be lower than the would have been if you finished fourth.

And since your whole league now knows you're a tanker, they're more likely to go after you in league games (never know when you'll decide to tank a game for one reason or another), thus making you more likely to lose games you might have won if people decided you weren't worth the risk of going after, further depressing your future gate receipts.

This doesn't sound right.

Fact: I was 400k worse off by not finishing 5th. So you are telling me I can recover more than 400k next season by finishing 1-2 place higher? I can't work it out. I really can't.

If tanking might have any impact on your results the reverse is true I'm afraid. Just ask yourself, if your opponent is going to tank, what would you do? Will you field your full strength team? If people know you tank a lot, they will speculate and field a weakened team in the hope that you might tank and field a better team elsewhere.

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Date: 2/4/2012 3:13:47 AM
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I was pointing out the 5th place problem right after the change was introduced and now we finally start to form some resistance against it.

If you guys want to outthink yourselves about the difference of an immediate 5th place payday and a small bonus for the next season for 4th place finishers, you should also think about deflation, decreasing salaries and transfer prices...

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