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I have no idea what you are saying now, but I gather its insulting me.

So in summary, I ask you to make reasonable arguments that have balance, and you insult me.

I think your objections are to the large/small country debate.

Large countries will say the only reason you got to be the best in BBB was because you were in a small country and had no competition and so were able to build a very good team, when managers who were working just as hard and are just as smart in larger countries couldn't create the kind of team you did.

You being from a smaller country think that a D1 team in your country should be treated the same a a D1 team in Spain.

We decided that we would make things skewed a bit towards the overall competition level in a division, so that competition within a division would be tighter. This of course means that the best teams from stronger countries are getting more money than the best teams from weaker countries, regardless to whether that specific team is "better" or "worse." What you say is true, but we still think this is a better way of doing things, than letting you completely dominate your small countries league and making it difficult for anybody competing with you to ever catch up. I understand you don't like that tradeoff, but it was a conscious choice we made with a specific goal in mind.

We are not professionals, we are not well paid, we work part time, we make mistakes, we try our very best to fix them. Testing sucked this last season I agree, its also hard to test things thoroughly with a very small staff and a huge buzzerbeater universe.

Hey you are doing an incredibly great work, part time. Thank you!

edit: I am silly when I pay money for your non-profesional product (I don´t mean economy changes, but for delaying in schedule, non-testing, etc. ) only ....

Insulting the people that are basically not getting paid much of anything at all and have created this game is a very poor way to get people to listen to your message.

maybe misunderstanding happens, but I learned word "silly" today, and my translator translate them as attack on me.

I think that I have better competitor than all spain teams. Tooroo and Sharman are comparable as Hostivař only. And czech TV is lower than slovakia TV. I think that I would have better chance to win Spain 1.league than Czech 1.league.

I don´t know how mutch supporters pay for BB. I comprehend that 1000 supporters don´t maintain full-time staffs, but I pay same charge for one year as price of box PC game. I want functional game. Please lower count of change and more testing next time.

I'm sure that if you had started in a division V or VI like lots of managers are doing in Spain, you wouldn't thing that it's easy to win the Spanish D1 league or the Italian D1. In those leagues it's very difficult to win, because everybody who plays in D1, has won before in D5, D4, D3 and D2, so they are all really good, and winning a match it's really difficult. In Spain you'll never see a team in D1 finishing with a balance of 22-0 like you did last season, so they won't win as money as you win with game attendance, because thay will lose some matches wich will affect their game attendance, so it's obvious that to keep the game fair, BBs have to give more money to the D1 Spanish's teams so they can try to compete with you or with Sharman.

And you're supporting the game, not buying a game, it's really different. BBs are doing a great job with this game and I'm sure that if they have a delay in their schedule is not because they don't want to work but because they had something unexpected that made them have this delay.

Last edited by rgrimau at 9/18/2009 2:32:46 PM

is the delay referring to the tactics option change? Other than that I think things have been going on basically as we have promised, plus the new site, which I cannot underestimate how much time has gone into.. and even so i know it isn't bug free. Perhaps we should have pushed it back farther and tried to fix more bugs, but we really thought we had the number of bugs down to a much lower level than it turned out to be... when you shine the light of 50K testers on something you are going to get a much more thorough inspection than the light of 3 part time people, or even 50 part time people when we release it to GMs. Until this game gets much larger, or the online advertising revenue picks up a great deal this is going to be a game that is developed by people who are doing it more for the love of what they have built and the hope that it will get bigger... and we are slowly always getting bigger... and although we might not be able to do things as quickly as everyone would like, we really are trying to make choices that keep the game interesting for the widest number of users and trying to avoid pitfalls that we have observed in other massively multiplayer online games. I think veterans of hattrick will agree that we have as of yet avoided some of the pitfalls of that game.

I meant 'silly' as a characterization of your argument, that was a poor choice of words, I should have used extreme or something to denote that I felt the argument was portraying the situation as an extreme version of reality rather than realizing that the reality was a compromise between the extremes i was laying out.

I said that about the schedule delay becuase he used as an argument against BBs job, and I think that he was totally wrong using this argument. I don't know to wich delay he's referring, and i'm sorry if you misunderstood me, i'm not a natural english-speaker so maybe I haven't choosed the best words to express my opinion. I just wanted to say that you're doing such a great job and that if it has been some kind of delay (wich I repeat I don't know wich one he means) I'm sure that it wasn't because you didn't wanted to work on the game but because something unexpected could have happened.

I imagine that it's really difficult to work on this game while you're also working on a full-time job and that's why I think that his arguments were wrong.

Yeah, and I want a job where I work 30 minutes a week and get paid in gold bullion and I want a car that gets a million miles per gallon. What you do not understand and perhaps it is your translator, is that what the BBs want is for you to have to make difficult choices regarding your team. If you want to have the best players, that's great. You just won't be getting as much merchandise income as some other teams. You will, however, continue to be successful in your league which translates into better attendance revenue. Do you not see that? Are you just being stubborn or do you honestly not understand that these rule implementations are specifically set up to NOT allow teams to have the best of all worlds, like your excellent team from a small country has?



Maybe the Spanish cat isn't a supporter because he can't afford it, or doesn't want to be one. At this point in time, being a supporter is optional and it is very rude to ask someone why they are or are not a supporter.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 9/18/2009 9:40:43 PM

let me just say this is how i view all and any bugs we have... the more bugs/delays we have the fewer people I expect to support us, I see that we have a strong incentive to try to make the best game we have as people will enjoy a bug free game more than a buggy one, obviously we fall short of that often and that's our mistake. I can only try to do better, but please don't take from my comments that we are satisfied with the way things are when there are bugs, we are simply trying and sometimes failing given the intelligence and resources we have available. That's not an excuse, its only an explanation.

B) your assets. Currently you have 9 players on the market which you value at over 30 million dollars. How many teams could raise that kind of cash if they wanted?

Not many.... :D

I do think ratings should play some factor in the merch equation. Then, of course, people will whine about "what about when we play guys out of position?"

now you've got my blood boiling!!!!