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From: SWS
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Date: 07/17/2009 07:22:17
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Maybe someone could explain why my player (3149509) still don't have any popups after 4 week pressing training? His playing time is around 60-70min per week. And trainer is level 7.

From: Jokehim

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Each player has a potential cap, in your case it is for all star potential. You are quite likely to reached that limit now as your salary before this season was that high. When that happens your player starts to train much slower and I actually have no good guess how much slower but logically it will take at least 2-3 times longer to have pops in a skill.

See this thread (98371.35) for a good estimated value for the salary cap for a player. All-star cap is somewhere between 40-65000 and that is probably where your players salary are right now if you added 3-4 pops this season in a skill that is a primary skill for your player.

Should also be noted that it is not unlogical that it takes a little more than 4 weeks for a 23 year old player to pop in outside defense, especially as the player already is 23 years old, at least if you are training two positions (my guess is that you are combining PG/SG).

Hope this answer clear things for you. And by the way, this should be posted in the question forum and especially not in this thread.

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Thanks :)

From: Plotts
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Date: 07/17/2009 14:51:52
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My results after training one on one for three weeks:

6'5" 18 yo

1 pop DRIV
1 pop JS
1 pop HAND

(all skills very close, except HAND which was -4)

6'5" 19 yo
2 pops DRIV
1 pop JS
1 pop HAND

(all skills close except OD at +2, +2, +1)

5'11" 20 yo
1 pop DRIV
1 pop JS
2 pops HAND

OD +5 than other core skills (which are all pretty even)

6'6" 21 yo

1 pop DRIV
1 pop JS
1 pop HAND
(after only two weeks training)
OS-- +7, +1, +8, OD-- +5, even, +4



Trained PG/SG with level 5 trainer. No players are at 70% of potential salary cap

I will follow this up in three more weeks...

Last edited by Plotts at 07/17/2009 14:52:35

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Date: 07/24/2009 15:38:12
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I have trained player (6179715) - pressure - single position 5 weeks 48 + min and one week 40 mins without popup at OD.
Trainer lvl 6, 21 old player, star potential, skill count 68 total.


OUT of potential seems to mean - more than tripple slowdown!

Last edited by Maly_mrav at 07/24/2009 15:38:57

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Date: 07/24/2009 16:22:29
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The total skill points are irrelevant, and a $32,000 salary means he's pretty much maxed, yes.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 07/30/2009 08:08:34
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I must disagree. Take example of my player (2625176)

Salary much under "limit" but skill count @ 82 (without stamina and ft)

For last training of OD, I spent 5 weeks.(one position)

Holding his JR skill at low level, he never changded from PF to SF, so his salary stayed much lower.

But according to 5 weeks of his last training, slowdown is evident.
Last training was at the end of last season, so he was 24 y.o.
trainer lvl 6.

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Date: 07/30/2009 08:13:07
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For last training of OD, I spent 5 weeks.(one position)

He's 6'9, and 25 years old to boot, what did you expect? 5 weeks in 1 position is pretty much par for him, without the salary cap.

If age slowdown works anything like it does in HT (percentage per year), then it naturally will be much more noticeable at old ages than at young.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 07/30/2009 08:29:00

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Date: 07/31/2009 11:53:07
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Anybody got experience in long term with One on One for Forwards?
JS and IS are really significantly slower? 4-5 weeks, nobody got it faster?

Thanks.

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Date: 08/03/2009 21:32:47
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Outside Shooting
SG:
Trains JR @ 2-3 weeks
Trains JS @ 4-6 weeks
Trains DV @ 7-8 weeks
Trains HN @ 7-8 weeks

With level 7 trainer:
Trains JR @ 2-3 weeks
Trains JS @ 4-6 weeks
Trains DV @ 8-9 weeks
Trains HN @ 8-9 weeks


an?
Soo training with Dv normal trainer is more speedy than a level 7 one? XD

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Soo training with Dv normal trainer is more speedy than a level 7 one?

These stats are still based on old training system where trainer had from level 1 to 10. The change was done last season or perhaps even two seasons ago. Old level 10 trainers should correspond to current level 5 and level 7 from old system somewhere between level 3 and 4 for new system I would guess (a wild guess!).

Last edited by Jokehim at 08/04/2009 07:54:49

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