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SC wasnt enough as u saw what happened ^^

because the game holds more facets then just players and playing.

..and the game holds more facets then just arena building which is where this was going.

I don't think that can ever be true. If managers spend all their money on the arena, and never on players, or anything else, they will never be succesfull, since it is the players who have to perform in the games, so eventually managers will always need to buy players, or invest in players anyway, since they are the key in winning games.

Everything else (except the players) are not needed to win games. So I think they should stay important in the game too, otherwise the features will die.

Now, I know everyone will still have to expand at least a little. It is just that it has been limited now, and I can't see why it had to be.
Since there seem to be managers who did manage to expand enough, it realy isn't impossible. You just need to say no to a player once in a while and invest that money in the arena to keep up. Is it THAT hard to say no to a new player once you have some spare money?? I realy can't see why users need to be helped against overspending on players. The most fun thing here is that you just need to be carefull not to spend more money then you can afford. If bigger arenas alow you to spend more money, then everyone is free to build them.
Normally you need to first look and see if you can afford a players' wage, and then buy him, not buy him and then notice you can't afford him, and also don't want to sell him again...
But that's just my opinion ofcourse.

I'm sure BBs have a good reason for this, but I don't have to like it. ;)
I can just talk for Belgiums few highest divisions, since I'm not familiar with others, but I think the majority will love the new situation, so probably most of the BB players will love it too, which ofcourse is always the goal.

Ok, now take a look on ACBB 1st league on Spain:

Maximium arena is 20.000.

Its a little bit weird no? That the country who has more managers in BB has not a big arenas. Im not on ACBB but the level there is really high, and they have to spend a lot of money in good players rather spending money on arenas.
And i would say more, some of them arent in a good economic situation.

And for example, you see top 10 list of the largest arenas in the BB world and for me it isnt a surprise to see some countrys there.

This had to be balanced ¡¡¡

Last edited by Marot at 6/8/2009 8:20:18 AM

A small suggestion after the "news". Why you don't test the new GE in the matches of private league?

Because that would give an unfair advantage to supporters, because they can already test and adjust to the new GE.

Supporter is designed to give a lot of great extras, but it shouldn't give a gameplay advantage above non-supporters.

That's right even if it was ufair for the teams that played the cup last season? I had only 2 friendly game last season but I wasn't soo sad
With a lot of PL matches between top teams, maybe BB can solve this bug before the ASG above all now that selling someone is almost impossible at a decent price and teams cannot change the rosters "following" the new GE. Now in which way and where they test and solve the bugs?

Ok, now take a look on ACBB 1st league on Spain:

Maximium arena is 20.000.

Its a little bit weird no? That the country who has more managers in BB has not a big arenas. Im not on ACBB but the level there is really high, and they have to spend a lot of money in good players rather spending money on arenas.
And i would say more, some of them arent in a good economic situation.

One smart manager could also consider spending less on players for one or two seasons and instead develop his arena. Afterwards he can make a comeback and be stronger than others because of his better economical possibilities...
STH is still a good way to balance the max number of attendance.

Unlike GM-LoD I'm rather curious than worried about the new changes.
I expect the new system to be an extra feature rather than the removal of the old financial limitations.
The way I see it, the STH limitation is downsized a bit but not scrapped, and in addition the TV-money fluctuates. This way monster-arena's will be a no-go, but "large" arena's will have their right of existence. At present, several top-teams still haven't reached the limit of building a large arena.(+-25000 seats?)
If BB's monitor both parameters in future and adjust them wisely when there is the need for it, they'll have my full support.
The weekly fixed number for TV-money equally for all teams was something I disliked from the moment it was implemented anyway.

Its a little bit weird no? That the country who has more managers in BB has not a big arenas. Im not on ACBB but the level there is really high, and they have to spend a lot of money in good players rather spending money on arenas.
And i would say more, some of them arent in a good economic situation.

And for example, you see top 10 list of the largest arenas in the BB world and for me it isnt a surprise to see some countrys there.

germany was from start on, not so small in comparison to the other countrys, that the first month was a advantage against the opposition is afaik well known ;)

We make this trend, i would say because we see this solution first, after an sucissor in league one makes good effects with it ...And if you start early it wasn't that big problem, because if you invest 200k it, you will have soon additional 100k to build it and so on - because till 20k arena it is very lucrative.

They right..
Btw, I think you say it because you won yesterday but if you were defeated your speech was different ..
I think thats the best decision and respect to the BBs for the brave decision..

Thats greatness to recognize your mistake in the time and fix it as fast as possible and thats what they do..

Maybe they're right because the team i won was yours?

Yeah, with 4.5M in the cash box ;)
But I can understand your happiness..

Anyway, I'm really happy that we return to the old GE.. good decision by the BBs.

Last edited by Warrior at 6/8/2009 10:26:30 AM

I agree with you that a long term strategy is a reasonable thing for a game to have, but the situation we saw developing wasnt just that we didnt want people to have to plan ahead, rather it was that in the long term, when everyone in d1 gets a huge arena and are the only ones with enough fans to support it then it would be impossible for any promoting team to compete and they would be sent down immediately. We want a gap in divisions, but not an insurmountable gap, and the old system was headed toward and insurmountable gap and had to be changed... in addition we have he ongoing economic balance to keep in mind and this was a way to kill two problems with one change.

that being said, its not like arena size isnt important anymore... we believe building arenas will still be important, just that at some point its usefullness runs out. So for a team working its way up through the leagues, trading off winning now, versus building for the future is still a dynamic we believe is part of the game.. its just at the highest level we dont think it makes sense to have arena sizes just run away indefinitely.