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187744.138 in reply to 187744.137
Date: 7/11/2011 10:06:55 PM
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If FT and shooting jumpers and 3 pointers are really all the same, then why doesn't FG% or 3P% correlate with FT%?

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Date: 7/11/2011 11:50:30 PM
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If FT and shooting jumpers and 3 pointers are really all the same

They aren't all the same...the distances are different but it is the same motion of the arm. I am hoping you have played basketball before. If you have then you know that shooting a three and a FT are the same but you have to put a little more on it. It's all in the mechanics. I was taught how to shoot when I was 7 and my shooting stroke really hasn't changed since.
then why doesn't FG% or 3P% correlate with FT%?

All the great shooters have been really good FT shooters. Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Michael Redd, Larry Bird, Mitch Richmond, Steve Kerr....and so on....Somebody said Bruce Bowen.....what a joke....he wasn't even close to being a great shooter..
Perfect example...Go watch a Reggie Miller or Ray Allen DVD or video on YOUTUBE...3 pointer, 18 foot jumper a FT all the same stroke, never different just the distance changes....

Last edited by Yellow cake at 7/11/2011 11:52:00 PM

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Date: 7/12/2011 1:23:26 AM
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Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Michael Redd, Larry Bird, Mitch Richmond, Steve Kerr....and so on....


For every example you give, one can be given to counteract. And the research Tangosz did backs this up as no correlation was found between FG% and FT%. Being an excellent shooter doesn't guarantee free throw proficiency and the opposite is also true. While the form is the same in any type of shot, free throws are markedly different from a jump shot.

Of course, anyone with a modicum of shooting ability will be able to attain a certain level of free throw proficiency. This doesn't change the fact that the two shots are markedly different, requiring repetitive practice and contrasting form.

If the purpose of this game is to mirror real life, then it is certainly ridiculous to have atrocious free throw shooting while simultaneously having above average jump shooting. But to suggest, as it seems you are, that jump shooting and free throws should be perfectly synced is equally ridiculous.

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187744.142 in reply to 187744.140
Date: 7/12/2011 2:48:14 AM
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Wake up and smell the coffee...are you trying to tell me that the mechanics are different between a FT and say a set shot from the top of the key....the only difference is that no one is "D"ing you up on the FT. When you shoot a jump shot there is a timing issue to shoot at the top of your jump but it is still the same fluid shooting motion.
For every example you give, one can be given to counteract

Please do....and please don't say Lebron...his jump shot has holes....so who else? And I don't mean scorers..Dominique Wilkins was a great scorer but not a great shooter. So let's see who you choose to come back with. Please have somebody better than Bruce Bowen...

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Date: 7/12/2011 2:53:30 AM
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Wake up and smell the coffee...are you trying to tell me that the mechanics are different between a FT and say a set shot from the top of the key....the only difference is that no one is "D"ing you up on the FT. When you shoot a jump shot there is a timing issue to shoot at the top of your jump but it is still the same fluid shooting motion.


why does a jumpshot caslled jumpshot, when you throw him like a free throw in the stand ;) And don't say that make no difference, and only the d is the difference(yes also a fastbreak jumper looks different then a free throw)

Yes their are similiarities, and yes it is correlated but not so much as you say. And i think it would be bad if it changed now, and maybe punish the dudes who trained free thorow ... or make free throw a too superieor training, if you make team training which raise your jumpshot/jumprange as a decent rate(because it have to be also the other way round)

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Date: 7/12/2011 3:02:17 AM
Kitakyushu
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I actually like the training how it is now...but we got into this a good Jump shooter doesn't = a good free throw shooter......so here is a list of pure shooters...in fact the 20 best( I don't agree with all of them) but look at the FG% and then look at the FT%...
(http://bleacherreport.com/articles/430516-the-20-greatest...)

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187744.145 in reply to 187744.142
Date: 7/12/2011 3:23:20 AM
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Please do


Chuck Person. Dan Majerle. Vernon Maxwell. Derek Harper. Clifford Robinson. Mike Miller.

To name a few.

All of this misses the point that's already been proven: FG% and FT% are independent of each other.

If you'd like to disprove the data, go ahead. You're going to need more than vitriol and a few easy examples though....

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Date: 7/12/2011 5:00:44 AM
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Chuck Person. Dan Majerle. Vernon Maxwell. Derek Harper. Clifford Robinson. Mike Miller.

Are you kidding me.....If those are the PURE shooters you came up with I have already proved my point. Cliff Robinson..yikes, his jumper was flat..he could hit a three every once in a while but a pure shooter..NOPE sorry....Mike Miller., Veron Maxwell you even put Chuck Person on your list...Please tell me that isn't the best you could do.
All of this misses the point that's already been proven: FG% and FT% are independent of each other.

Yeah...In Buzzer Beater they are independent of each other...but in Real life...sorry...The mechanics are the same( talking about the arm extention, follow through, elbow pointing to the place where you are shooting)..You have to convince me with somebody better than Derek Harper...hahahahahahahhaa You probably think John Starks was a better shooter than Allen Houston....

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Date: 7/12/2011 5:08:11 AM
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I wouldn't even say that I'm surprised about the fact that FG% and FT% are independent of each other. FGs can also be inside shots, and those are way more efficient than mid-range jumpers or so. The 3FG% example was better - but I'd want to see more data on that before concluding all that much.

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Date: 7/12/2011 6:26:17 AM
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I think the real world shooting percentages correlate in the following way:

FT% > FG% > 3P%

I had a player that shot 45% FG, 50% 3P and 20% FT. Thats not realistic and those players should get fixed, worst FT- shooters in this game should at least make 40% of their attempts.

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