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Welsh will finish 1 to 8 while scotts will finish 9 to 16 and get and overall better draft.

Teams aren't going to sacrifice their whole season for the NT. Even if the occasional team does it they can't all do it every season. Even if some actually do that then at least they have something to play for. At the moment it is just boring for them with nothing to do and little sense of achievement besides losing every B3 game by 50.

I think the issues this creates are a lot less severe than the current situation. Most nations are fine but there are a few obvious groupings that would improve the experience for their managers.

Africa
South Africa
Ghana
Nigeria
Senegal
Al Maghrib
Al Jazair
Misr
Tounes

Britain
England
Wales
Scotland
Ireland

Carribean
Barbados
Bahamas
Rep Dominicia
Jamacia
Puerto Rico

Central America
Guatemala
Panama
Costa Rica

That is just a start. North Asia, Central Asia, South East Asia, Middle East, whatever you call the area of the former Soviet Republics etc.

The great thing about this is you could actually add more countries like Mongolia, Syria, Sri Lankha, Laos etc, but just have them as part of the regional groups for their league competitions..

whats with the "big" nations..as we know there is a big user fluctuation at buzzerbeater..

what happen if u implentin such things for africa for example and in 2 seasons south sudan showin 3000 users and germany countin 50? we all know how fast the BBs reactin !!

what if all nations keep their leagues and the BBs put one premiere league on top with for example 24 teams for maybe europe, africa,carribean and and and...

in my eyes best solution for all!!

:-)

its a really nice thread and from the first time I saw it I imagined something like this. A new competition for one season like a cup and for example the teams that reach the top 16 will be on the next year's unified first division and etc. But that brings up also the factor of luck of the draws.
One other solution that I thought was this.(I will use the british example so its easier to understand) Lets say we start this season.
The teams that reach the semi-finals on top divisions in Wales, Ireland, England and Scotland on season 18 will be promoted to the Unified British Premier Division.So in season 19 you have 4 teams from 4 countries = 16 teams that are most commonly the best teams of those countries.
In season 19 the 4 regional leagues still exist but you have also the british league. The spots that were left on the regional leagues will be filled by active teams using the "replace bot-spot" rules.
Now during season 19 the Unified British Premier Divison will be used as the premier division and the regional leagues as second divisions , but that only in notes not in financial terms , because the actual transformation will take place at the end of the season 19 (I will explain later why I don't think doing a complete transformation at the end of the season 18 is a good idea).

At the end of Season 19, 4 teams will be normally relegated from the Premier Divison no matter what nationallity and the champs of the regional leagues will be promoted to the Premier Division. The rest teams from the regional divisions plus the 4 relegated teams will be shuffled and redrawn into the newlly created divisions in a normal way. When I say normal way I mean all the teams from the regional first divisions (now considered second divisions) will be shuffled and redrawn into the new British II.1 British II.2 , British II.3 and British II.4 (and etc to the divison III and IV).

So at the beginning of Season 20 you have the newlly created unified british league pyramid. Premier Division and the lower divisions mixed up and cleared of bots from all 4 nationallities.

The reason I say that the transformation should take one whole season to conclude is because in that way it will be more stable and more fair. At the end of season 19 the 4 most weakest teams will be relegated to the newlly created British II div , but during that season the teams in the regional divisions will not be affected in the economy factor because they will be still playing at a top country division. In that way it is giving the chance on the champs on season 19 not to be affected at all (because they will get promoted to the Premier Division). The common sense says that the more seasons the transformation takes the more stable economically it will be , but you cannot do that indefinitelly , so you need to draw a red line , and one season is a good limit. Also taking into account the bot clearance on all newlly created british divisions that solution will be even better , because there are many chances that there might be bots even on the Premier Division.

And now comes the draft issue. The solution could be really simple (and I don't know if someone mentioned it earlier). The drafts should be created regarding the percentage of teams of certain nationallity playing in that division (or in general in whole British pyramid). For example if 50% is english teams , 20% scotish 20% irish and 10% welsh , that's the percentage of the draft's nationallity in the draft pool and every teams has that chance to get a draft of each nationallity. And regarding the marketing revenue , all drafts of those 4 nationallities should be considered as playing in their homeland country (they do after all play in Britain :P ). (people even buy good drafts to train , so I don't think that a scottish will get an english great draft and will just ruin it so the English NT will not get a good player)

There are also some other rules that could be applied. For example every team that is crated during season 19 , will play on the lower british division during season 20 (or at least not be able to play in the top two divisions in the British pyramid).

It is common sense that most of this work has to be done manually by the BBs , but its a one time work and will make some communities more populated , some managers more experienced , will raise the competition and ofcourse ease some work of weekly updates from the machine (because now the 4 countries will have 1 league and not 4).

I am not saying its the best solution , but its a stable and fair idea , that the BBs could work and fix it to their way if they decide to solve this issue :)

and ofcourse would like to hear your thoughts.

Fantastic work and very well thought out. The one area of disagreement is the draft. I still think even though it is unrealistic that if the team picking first is Welsh then the first player taken is Welsh, if a Scotish team is second then the player is a Scott etc.

i don't like the part with the draftee nationalities, for two reasons.

1. If a small nation get big enough i hope they could split up again, else we don't need the differentation in the "british" league etc. Then they aren't trainee of the playing nation anymore.

2. Especially in small nation the NT often works over sacrification, which means that relativ week trainees still have a shot at the U team, if trained well. Also the NT needs those players. So if i am a irish player, who maybe have a rivality with the the english ones(i could imagine that) and i get a scrub who could be still formed to a nt i wouldn't sacrify a training spot to do so.

I think when you get right down to it....
The only people who like micronations
Are the BBs
The only people that are for micronations to continue as is
are the BBs

I really disagree with this. I think there a ton of people that like Micronations. They include:
1) Flag Collectors
2) People that want to have players from "funny" places like Khazakstan or Jamacia.
3) People that want to train players for U21/NTs but can't afford $2,000,000 to get a rookie suitable for the Spanish NT.
4) People from small nations that want to develop players from their own nation.
5) People that like to be a big fish in a small pond.

But the issue is the lack of competition and interest is just too severe in these micronations and puts people off staying in the game. So combining them into bigger regions with at least 200 human controlled teams for league (but not NTs, Cup etc) would solve these problems without taking away the advantages.

Last edited by yodabig at 11/24/2011 3:35:13 AM

Fantastic work and very well thought out. The one area of disagreement is the draft. I still think even though it is unrealistic that if the team picking first is Welsh then the first player taken is Welsh, if a Scotish team is second then the player is a Scott etc.

But I think in that way there is the risk that someone else noticed , that if top teams are welsh and last teams are irish for example , best drafts come out as welsh. We might even end up with farms fighting for the last spot in league.

and @GM-CrazyEye

(I will talk again with an example so its more understandable)

1.If Enlish teams become so many that need their own league once again , then its doable in one offseason to just take all english teams from british leagues and reform all the english leagues from scratch. Yes that means that all the drafts of other british nationalities will not be considered playing in homeland now and they will lose some marketing revenue , but like the vast majority of the teams will benefit from instant promotion to higher leagues so they will cover the loss. (the same way the rest british teams will benefit also).
But that is something that needs too much attention , because you cannot take the english out of the british leagues and in 2-3 seasons that maybe the number of users decline again , you want to implemend them back. It lacks fairness and stability in so many ways :)

2. I know what you mean , I was the coach of Cyprus U21 for 2 seasons. First of all if you get a scrub and you decide not to use him , even if you don't sell him but you decide to fire him , with the new rules (if I am not mistaken) that guy gets into the transfer masket for 1.000$ , or if he is not the BBs could fix that so he is "saved". And also doing the drafts the way I am saying gives better chances (for example for the Wales that have only 15 active teams at the moment) their best drafts to get into active teams and not to be lost in bot teams.

Fired players only become free agents if they have salaries of over $5,000. This was the announcement:

Also, as we announced in the mid-season news, many players who are fired from their teams are no longer going to take to retirement so easily. Fired players (or players who are released from abandoned teams) will list themselves on the transfer market at a starting price of 10 times their initial salary, or 1 million dollars (whichever is smaller). If they can’t find a team interested in them at that price, they will begrudgingly accept retirement. Pro-amateur level players (those with salaries of 5,000 or less) won’t bother with this procedure, as they need to start looking for another job right away. This change is effective as of now.

So that 18 year old 7'5" Hall of Fame $4,995 player who is fired will NOT become a free agent.

Even worse they need to have a salary of $10,000 to become a free agent if their team becomes a bot.

yes I didn't remember that exactly but the BBs could fix that in a better way :)

as I said this was not a complete solution , just the main idea that the BBs could work their way :)

It's up to NT coach to save players. BB has already totally flooded the market far too much.

Fixed.