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I started way way down in my division and managed to come back and win my playoffs in my first season

I think the BBs are moving a lot of players up into the bot-spots in higher divisions this coming season

I guess, the point was that if D.III is full of divisions with bots, then new owners should go there first, until most of the teams in a division are human managers. I'm just saying the new teams should be assigned, not to random divisions with a bot team or two, but to divisions with ALL bots. So they all start on the same equal footing. The BB's need to identify which countries are growing, add divisions (populated with bots initially) for future growth, and then as the higher division fills up with human managers, they start filling up the lower divisions. Your brother's situation is exactly what the original thread creator is irritated by. Your brother reaps the reward of getting to have home court through the playoffs, if he keeps winning. The other teams who have been there throughout the season, should be pissed off.

I think, if the game is taking off as it should, there shouldn't be a need for teams to "wait" an exended time to get placed in a bot division with 7 other teams. Even so, if you do four one day, and four the next, but fill up the bot divisions first, that makes more sense, and is much more equitable than putting one team in a D.III division one day and a D.IV division an hour later, and so on.

Does that make sense??

It does make sense. However, I would rather suggest that new users/teams be placed in a linear fashion across all divisions. First fill every division in III (as there is no need for div IV if div III is full of bots), then begin by replacing every first place bot in every IV series, followed by every 2nd place team in every IV series, etc. Otherwise BB may end up like what currently exists in HT (particularly in the USA) where the first couple hundred VI divisions are extremely competetive and filled with clubs that have been in the game for a year or more, whereas the rest of the divisions (particularly VI.800-VI.1024) are completely filled with againg bot teams.

To your point, I don't believe it is fair that my brother can come into the game 2 weeks ago and make the playoffs, as I have struggled since August and must win on Saturday to ensure my spot. The most clear solution to this would be to immediately reset the players in bot teams the moment they switch from being human-managed to being "Managed by a computer player". This would help reduce the number of highly trained bots who continue to dominate their divisions long after an active tactician let go of the reigns...

And I do agree that this game is a marathon, not a sprint. Come season 5 or 6, this will likely all be forgotten.

Start new owners with 0 wins, and move ownerless teams to the bottom of the standings. Someone who arrives with 5 games left really shouldn't expect to be in the playoffs, unless all the teams in the league arrived about the same time. Then it should be a sprint to win based on those 5 games. It doesn't really matter that the schedule is unbalanced - that is a lot better than an unbalanced starting position.

When assigning new owners simply fill each league in turn, don't go back to the first series unless you get to the last series in a division. At the end of the season, reshuffle the teams in the bottom divisions.

I agree, this is a short term problem. Just keep on planning and analyzing and training for your team, and eventually you will be better off. The GMs and BBs are already quite aware of this, I'm sure, so rest assured that this will not be an ongoing issue.

But you have numerous problems
Drafting - Great you don't make the playoffs, but you have first shot at the next stud
Training - Other teams are able to train their entire team on a primary stat instead of a secondary stat
5th place as no incentive (similar to 4th in HT) and will cause some incredibily ugly issues.

I don't mind where a team gets placed. There is no right answer because in a perfect world we would have 100% retention.

The GM-Ragone success story (with all due respect to his GM ability) is an anomoly. You would not of done that in my division unless you were given a very good team to start - we had a lot of active users until the end and they all had different strengths to cause all types of fits.

Edited 10/8/2007 7:02:21 PM by Digging for Change

I don't mind where a team gets placed. There is no right answer because in a perfect world we would have 100% retention.

I finished 5th. I don't mind.

But, I do think the best solution to the lack of any training (no play off game) is to treat all play-offs like a cup round.
Those not in that "cup round" are free to schedule friendlies.

If you are not in any sort of playoff, for the championship, relegation, or otherwise, one of the Team Trainings would be the way to go.

Also, Practice This Week is reset between seasons, so every player will start the new season with Respectable PTW regardless of how many minutes they play in the postseason.

I believe the concern is about teams with no playoff games falling behind in training. It was suggested after last season's playoffs that an additional scrimmage game be added for teams not in the playoffs.

I disagree, GM-Raonne (spelt correctly at least) is not an anomaly I said the post directly after that I did the same thing.

If you join a game, you expect to play against competition. Bots in this game are just as difficult to overcome as the human players sometimes.

There is no reason to expect you deserve a higher spot in a league than another player (regardless of when they started). If they come in and their first game is in the playoffs and you lose then tough luck. You should have been smart enough to beat them because they just started.

When I was playing my playoffs last season I lost the first game of the playoffs against a Bot then the second game I was playing against a human player who had just taken over the Bot's team. I beat him in the next 2 games and won the title.

i have to say 2 things:

(1) I don't agree with complains about initial positioning, same arguments as the ones i presented before and the ones niko just said. But I also wont care if the BB's decide to assign the positions to new teams based on first-come/first-served basis.

(2) I agree that the 5th player has disadvantage if compared to 6th and 7th. There is also a lot of people complaining about that in the brazilian forums right now, so we worked out an idea there and i promised to share with teh rest. Here it comes:

Every team should have the same amount of games in the post season, so the training will be fair to all. So the two 8th places should have a series to decide who is the worst in the group. The 6th and 7th play against relegation as usual. The two 5th play to decide 9th-10th place. The teams getting out of the playoffs should play to decide 3rd-8th place. This way everyone would get fair training. (a "bronze" trophy should be given to the 3rd, cause it's quite an accomplishment already)

The advantages to the best teams should come in 3 ways:
(1) Glory, the title instead of relegation.
(2) Bigger crowds in more important games.
(3) Finantial prizes to the top teams.

What do you guys think of this idea?

Edit: to make it more clear I put the full post-season schedule, according to this idea, on this link:
http://www.raonne.com/buzzerbeater/schedule.txt


Edited 10/9/2007 4:36:37 AM by GM-Raonne

Comparing this idea with the current system (to show how it will be more fair):

(1) we are trading "Big crowds vs. No crowd(no game!)" to "Big crowd vs. Not so big crowd"
(2) and we are trading "training advantage" to "finantial prizes" (the BB's can come up with the appropriate values of it, based on their understanding of the game economy)

Edit: and btw, in the new idea also every user will still ahve games, since some users are complaining they might drop BB because of their lack of meaningful games for 3 weeks...

Edited 10/9/2007 3:37:31 AM by GM-Raonne