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202589.14 in reply to 202589.12
Date: 11/16/2011 9:31:59 AM
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But it's not just about the agreements, is it fair, that some small country beats on CT some big countries in first/second match and all the others fighting for the top has easy match as the team has already broken his enthusiasm?


They can do it and it's fair. I don't think small country manager will say to the opponent "Hey, we could beat you only if we CT, but then we can't do anything else in the tourney, so I will just play TIE to make it easy for you".

Example from real life: Soccer, Euro qualifications. Serbia played against us for 2nd place. We already lost any chance to qualify. If we win, Estonia qualifies. If Serbia wins, they qualify.
We fought and won, and Estonia qualified. Do you think Serbians looked at us and said "Hey, you crunched on us with nothing to win!"? No, they didn't. They knew they should play harder and that's it.

To your example: Will you ask your opponent for a deal if you know I can play my match on deal? Or won't you do nothing just not to do it unfair for me?


I will never be in a such situation because even if I am a NT manager one day, I will never make any deals. I know I will be underdog against NTs who are making deals, but hey...competition is about winning on court and not in deals.

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202589.15 in reply to 202589.13
Date: 11/16/2011 9:40:44 AM
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Again, proposing mTIE is not considered as spam by the current rules (/community/rules.aspx?nav=RulesOfConduct) - that is why there is no any punishment for it.

I know it, but I would like to find whether it could be solution it would be consider as a spam.
From your link to Rules of Conduct
If you spam other users, the GMs may issue a warning, or may temporarily remove your ability to send BB-Mail or post in the Forums. If you continue to spam users during this period or after the functionality is returned to you, your accounts will be permanently banned without warning.

I think it wouldn't stop anything. Unless manager gets first ban, no need not to try offer deals. It only would mean that you will find the opponent opinion on deals before you send him a message. And even I wouldn't use it as tactical part of the game when being asked for a deal to report it as a spam instead of accepting or refusing.
And I'm not sure if GM's would be happy to have to read hundreds or thousands more mails to consider whether they are spam or not.


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202589.16 in reply to 202589.14
Date: 11/16/2011 9:45:24 AM
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Examples from real life are not valid. That way we have to say all the effort and enthusiasm system in the game is nonsense. How many times in real life coach told players before the match: take it easy? And how many times the team is not able to play well next match after "crunch time"? How many times Srbija wouldn't play Crunch time in game you described just because of bad influence to their performance in next game in playoffs?

Deals are just one part of many factors leading to success. And especially for smaller or medium size nation it's in my eyes impossible to make a success without deal on NT or U21 competitions within current rules.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/16/2011 10:03:56 AM

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202589.17 in reply to 202589.14
Date: 11/16/2011 10:29:59 AM
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We fought and won, and Estonia qualified. Do you think Serbians looked at us and said "Hey, you crunched on us with nothing to win!"? No, they didn't. They knew they should play harder and that's it.


but i don't think that there is an real live equivalentt, to the effort management here who make it difficult for serbia not to go with the same effort.

But overall i like the challenge of manage enthusiam a lot, and those deals are maybe the negative side effect of it which you had to live with. Don't think that it would be a good solution to make those proposals spam.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/16/2011 10:35:34 AM

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202589.18 in reply to 202589.12
Date: 11/16/2011 10:35:06 AM
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In Continental championship all teams are in group facing the same opponents. Just the order of matches is different. So once you can be luckier, next time someone else can be luckier.
But it's not just about the agreements, is it fair, that some small country beats on CT some big countries in first/second match and all the others fighting for the top has easy match as the team has already broken his enthusiasm?
So there are many unfair influence. The world and life aren't simply fair enough in any way.

To your example: Will you ask your opponent for a deal if you know I can play my match on deal? Or won't you do nothing just not to do it unfair for me?



i don't think that is that easy, so that everyone who will make a deal vs team A will do the same with team B. A deal should make sense for both sides, and every game is a new situation.

From: Flamen

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202589.19 in reply to 202589.16
Date: 11/16/2011 11:34:24 AM
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Never did mTIE, never will.

I think its a dishonorable way to play, but, nobody says that you have to play honorably, so everybody can do whatever they want and nobody should say anything about it.

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202589.20 in reply to 202589.18
Date: 11/16/2011 11:36:22 AM
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You are right, for example asking some team which is already eliminated and plays last match for deal makes no sense. Whilst other team could play with him on deal earlier.

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202589.21 in reply to 202589.20
Date: 11/16/2011 11:41:14 AM
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You are right, for example asking some team which is already eliminated and plays last match for deal makes no sense. Whilst other team could play with him on deal earlier.


other constellation, there a 3 teams who fight for it.

The first meeting of two of them maybe get a deal, but the looser won't make a deal anymore against the third one. The same could be said, about a constellation where 2 of them are little superior and one go for the second oppurtunity, cause he see ittle chanches to win the first while tanking enthusiam through a deal.

So it is not fair, even when you play the same managers. But it would be more boring without the oppurtunitys enthusiams gives you.

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202589.22 in reply to 202589.1
Date: 11/16/2011 3:21:54 PM
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I have no problem for a manager to send me BB mail asking for a mTIE, though it makes me laugh when he sends me a BB mail complaining I wasn't fair to play N instead :P

In Football World Cups people are so angry at the Danmark - Sweden matches. I actually enjoy those theatrical games and invite my friends to watch the match, have beer and laughing all the time at the events happening. Especially after some team scores a goal and there are only 5 minutes left to play :D

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