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because there is no way to draw a well defined line between normal and not normal

is selling a player who is say 24 years old and doesn't train as fast as a 18 year old normal?

i think yes, and whats that comparison about? Did they change the training spped from 24 old, so that they train as fast as 18 year old this season?

No i don't think so, but if theey do so they should announce it before so that you could buy a 23 old player which could get a training space at your team when the changes appear(so that their market value not dramatically increase over night)

Daytrading, I still believe, was good for the market and based on simple economic principals. With daytrading you had an abundance of good players available that could fill a need. You paid market price or you did not accept the inflated price they asked for.

But the point isn't which is which and which is wrong, the point is you should only calculate the penalty from the improper acts which only became improper last week. You can calculate from that point onward with an accelerated hit in the early weeks and a more gradual hit in the following weeks. Example: if you traded an average of 5 people or more per week you get hit and this begins in week 1 and extends so that in week 1 it will calculate only based on week 1 but in say week 5 it will calculate based on weeks 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

I don't see the issue with that. It is the logical wa to do it.

Daytrading, I still believe, was good for the market and based on simple economic principals. .

I must agree with you there, but that is not the way BB sees it.

Actually there is no BIG problem for anyone, since no team is forced to sell anything at any time.
If daytrading teams have a little patience and wait for a while before selling a player again they should have no loss of money (so no punishment). If they decide to sell nonetheless they choose to loose money. All teams have choices here. Every week a day-trading team waits with selling again, more and more players fall off the list of sold-players-in-the-last-14-weeks which means the taxes get lower. In a way you can say they choose if they want to get punished or not.
I fully understand you will counter here and tell me you get punished by not being able to sell like anyone else right away, but in fact, in your new attitude of non-daytrader anymore you wouldn't want to sell players anyway. The reason you have players to sell is a remains of your day-trading period. It shouldn't be too hard too keep them a while and sell them without profit nor loss of money. This waiting period could also function as a good means of kicking off the habbit trading.

Everything I say can be countered with arguments, as can everything you say. This is because there is no solution that is equally fair for all players. Would you find it better if players who did not day-trade before would be the ones that got the lesser part of the deal now? They are not the reason this new rule was implemented. If nobody traded, this rule would not come into existance, so if you ask me is it fair that traders have to suffer for doing nothing wrong, I say yes, only because they are the reason why the rule was invented.
Further it is only logic that if a rule is implemented to lower activity on a certain part, it are the ones that are active there that are affected. No?

Everything I say can be countered with arguments, as can everything you say. This is because there is no solution that is equally fair for all players.

Not to start it with old data, because then you could react on the chanche like anybody else.

The point isn't that I want to sell these players for a profit or how I acquired them or how long I can hold out or anything that we have gone over thus far. The point is it was a shitty way of doing it and it should have been calculated from the moment the rule was enacted forward. That would be equally fair for all players. It would stop day trading and keep normal players happy. That is a fact and I can't understand how you can't seem to get over this point. No one would get a lesser part of the deal in that case and everyone would be happy. That would be proper.

The point is it was a shitty way of doing it and it should have been calculated from the moment the rule was enacted forward. That would be equally fair for all players. It would stop day trading and keep normal players happy.

obviously not!

The last part I will say about this, since it is not going to end otherwise, is that at some point we might need to lay down by decisions made by the developers if not a vast majority of the users is against it.
I am not against daytrading, not at all, I'd do it myself (and have done it) if it would bring me profit!
But obviously there are a lot of people who cheer at this new rule, and I myself can't see it as a bad implementation, on the contrary, I even find it a very good solution they came up with, to deal with the problem they saw (which in my eyes was no problem, but I'm not defending my point of view here, and that is not what this discussion is about).
And yes I refuse to see it would be better if BB would give daytraders another full season to keep doing it before they HAVE to stop, if BB wants it to stop right away.
If we want to keep enjoying the game, we have to let it rest and adapt to what they present us. (unless the comunity is against it, but this is certainly not the case here).
If we are going to feel bad about every decision they make that might influence our own team in a bad, or less good way, then what is the point of playing?
I'm going to try to sell my player for 79% where I normally should have had 85% or more with equall pleasure, if I get unlucky and sell my 2 players I had in my team since I started (which is obviously not daytrading), he will probably even get me less%, if I see he will only fetch me 30% after I sold all players I want to sell at this time, then I will still sell him, what do I care? It's the way the game works now, and even though I am not against daytrading, I'm sure I'm going to love the game equally with this new rule. Period.

I don't think you are understanding my point still.
This is not about day trading, not about the new rule, not about the new game play as a result. It is about the calculation.

Forget it. I'm surprised only CrazyEye took an interest in this.

It was anounced in the news that this was going to happen, and everyone was given about a week time to sell players in the old system.

BINGO...I think LA-Lord of Doom highlights the critical point here. The old system can't last for ever...


Steve

Last edited by Solana_Steve at 5/21/2008 7:48:21 PM

It was anounced in the news that this was going to happen, and everyone was given about a week time to sell players in the old system.

BINGO...I think LA-Lord of Doom highlights the critical point here. The old system can't last for ever...


Steve

Given a week to ADD to the increased tax you had already accumalated in the past weeks... this means by rushing to sell you are in fact worsening your position.

On reflection - i cant grumble as I used the market as my main initial strategy. I do find it interesting that the rules are set and have penalised managers who surely wouldnt have continued to trade had they know the rule was impending. Ironically the managers who 'gave in' to DT's and started copying to maintain the growth of their franchise have been the ones that have been penalised!

I do think the taxes should be valid for sales only over $50,000.
This way you can replace injuries and also this will maintain a bottom for the market whereby any team can hopefully make some money on their fringe players.. (not their worse ones that still need to be fired) As soon as the bid went over $50,000 this would count towards your total.

So this may encourage early bidders & provide more liquidity into the market as if a opening bid of $50k was slapped down the next bidder would have to be more serious about the transaction. Also it is unlikely a $50k bid is going to give much scope for DT profit.