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41429.14 in reply to 41429.1
Date: 8/4/2008 3:37:33 PM
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After several days of first anger, then quiet reflection, then a reassessment of the numbers (for the nth time)... If I could, I'd have relegated from the EBBL this season.

I don't know how big the attendance is going to be next season (a rise), and I don't know whether I'll sell out.
As I don't know whether I'll sell out, I don't know what prices to set for the start of the season.
I don't know whether I should expand (I probably should).

I know they're taking 40%, which although won't kill me, it'll stop me improving anywhere in my team until I figure out how to turn a profit. Of course the teams higher up the EBBL with their huge arenas will make less... but they'll be making profit (rather than treading water). I see nothing in my current situation that doesn't suggest I should try and stay up next season.

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41429.15 in reply to 41429.13
Date: 8/4/2008 3:44:58 PM
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You are absolutely right. I am the perfect example. This is the second season when my team were trapped at semi-final. I wont in D1 :=) but little morgen (tomorrow).
Fortune is on other side :=)


Sorry for my bad English.

Last edited by Dragan Prokic at 8/4/2008 3:46:12 PM

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41429.16 in reply to 41429.15
Date: 8/4/2008 3:48:05 PM
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The same situation for me last season......

Hope to promote this season.....:P

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41429.18 in reply to 41429.17
Date: 8/5/2008 12:36:14 PM
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Why would you give the top division more fuel to the "we need to make more money up here than everyone else"?

Move up earn the money take your lumps.

Remember, should you finish last, you get the first draft choice...... compared to the other teams in the division you are dropping back to.

Last edited by Digging for Change at 8/5/2008 12:37:01 PM

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41429.19 in reply to 41429.17
Date: 8/5/2008 1:35:07 PM
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I would expect you to earn considerably more in DI than in DII, because the fans are much more interested in buying tickets.

This only holds if his area is big enough. Mine, for example, has been designed to be full at max prices in DII (which, one may argue, has been optimal up to now). So I am lucky I have some spare cash to extend it a bit, otherwise the only benefit I get from promotion is a 40% tax instead of a 25% tax...

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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41429.20 in reply to 41429.19
Date: 8/5/2008 6:25:20 PM
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You can't expect BB's holding the hands of every user to make them expand their stadium/adjust their ticket prices.
Every user has to use his brain cells to see which possibilities his fanbase is offering.
(btw, I still think max prices isn't always the way to go)

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41429.21 in reply to 41429.19
Date: 8/6/2008 2:48:44 AM
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One may also argue that it is not optimal. If a stadium has room for fan growth, then a franchise is ready for a sudden winning streak. Perhaps.

One may also argue that the only benefit you get from promotion is a tax. You also get the benfit of promotion. If one chooses to be pleased only by financial reward, then promotion might mean nothing. If one chooses to be pleased by achievement, then promotion might be a benefit.


Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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41429.22 in reply to 41429.21
Date: 8/6/2008 4:01:58 AM
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One may also argue that it is not optimal. If a stadium has room for fan growth, then a franchise is ready for a sudden winning streak. Perhaps.

One may also argue that the only benefit you get from promotion is a tax. You also get the benfit of promotion. If one chooses to be pleased only by financial reward, then promotion might mean nothing. If one chooses to be pleased by achievement, then promotion might be a benefit.

It is kind of hard to go on a "sudden winning streak" when your record is 21-1 for a second season in a row. Therefore, one cannot argue what you suggest. Or at least not in my particular case.

Plus, it's not like I haven't upgraded my arena at all. It's been expanded from 5,000 to 7,000 in 2 seasons of play, but that likely won't be enough. It is not a matter of financial reward, it's a matter of financial survival.

Of course, if I were a clairvoyant and knew that they were planning to implement measures that favor large arenas, but at the same time time tax me half of my income so that it is practically impossible for me to expand, I would have planned otherwise.

Unfortunately, however, one can only plan for what one can realistically foresee.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 8/6/2008 4:03:41 AM

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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41429.23 in reply to 41429.22
Date: 8/6/2008 4:38:01 AM
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Right. I wasn't talking about you but about teams in general, which is why I used 'one' and not 'you'. I thought that was the reason why you also used that term. In your case specifically, opitmal is whatever you choose it be... Perhaps promotion would lead to a sudden losing streak where your arena would no longer be full. If you were to lower prices to regain your crowd, you would be making less money. If you had space in your arena you could lower prices significantly to get more people than before and equal your income. Then again, having the potential to generate more income and not doing it seems les than optimal to me as well, since by not creating more revenue opportunities you are losing money, no?

Had you added one more seat to your full arena, would that ticket have been bought? If the answer is yes, then your arena is not optimal.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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41429.24 in reply to 41429.23
Date: 8/6/2008 5:14:07 AM
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Had you added one more seat to your full arena, would that ticket have been bought? If the answer is yes, then your arena is not optimal.


nicely said :D

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