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but in the nba the chanche of having an player from the own draft is 1 of 30 or maybe 32 if we consider the undrafted, that a player is from the own draft.

In BB is it around 1 of 50000, and the possibility that the draft you like is not in your league draft is also considerally higher ;)

Also did you consider traded picks as trades or draft?

Any player whose draft rights were traded has been designated as ACQUIRED VIA TRADE and not via the draft.

And still the numbers are very high.

Summary no matter if there are 50,000 BBteams or 50,000,000 it should still be possible to draft and train your own player most seasons if you really wanted to just like in the NBA.

Actually even in NBA most teams dont develop their own franchise players. There´s only a few superstars who actually play for the team that has drafted and developed them, so IMHO this comparison sucks big time. The percentage of rookies getting traded during their first 5 years of contract is quite high.

Actually even in NBA most teams dont develop their own franchise players. There´s only a few superstars who actually play for the team that has drafted and developed them, so IMHO this comparison sucks big time. The percentage of rookies getting traded during their first 5 years of contract is quite high.

Boston - Paul Pierce
LA Clippers - Griffin
Sacramento - Evans
Chicago - Rose
Orlando - Howard
OKC - Durant
Washington - Wall
Portland - Aldridge
Miami - Wade
Atlanta - not sure if it is Smith or Horford
San Antonio - Tim Duncan
Indiana - Granger
Milwaukee- Bogut

That is just off the top of my head.

Looks like you are simply and plainly wrong.

I think you even forgot Kevin Love. But that´s exactly what I´m talking about. that´s like 1 / 15 of the players (in a closed market - we have an open market here). And guys like Granger, Wall etc. remain to be on our focus in that list, because those are most like the players who get "canned" once the team decides that it´s going nowhere and those get swapped for future prospects (see also: Dwight Howard).

Durant, Wall and Rose and Aldridge are not qualifying for that list btw (so are many others) as they have not been on their teams for 5+ years (due to age, obviously).

Pierce, Wade are the players that I meant - quite rare, that you don´t switch team, won´t you agree?

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 1/4/2012 8:54:49 AM

Once again I am not 100% on this but I think three of those four do qualify for the list: Durant, Aldridge and Rose have all signed their second contracts although I don't know how Rose did as he should still be on his rookie contract.

Derrick Rose is signed for 5 years / $94.80 million with the Chicago Bulls.

Wall still is on his rookie contract.

i also think that teams try to stick more to their franchise player in the NBA like you, but that have also to do with the close market and that player who qualify to play top start there and not in div 4 for example. In BB

there are each yseason ton of player who qualify to div one but do not get drafted there, and a lot of NBA teams (16 per country who also could trade di v 1 talent betwen each other). which makes it hard to compare those.

But giving div.1 excellent draft picks, also in depth would give those premier division and huge advantage which is really hard to balance out. And it still would be hard to pick the fitting draft for their strategy, and still the best would start them in div 2 instead of div 1.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/4/2012 9:10:12 AM

Durant and Rose are both within the mentioned 5 year span, though I´m sure those are actually valid points, as they will not leave their teams anytime soon.

Aldridge is a borderline guy - not quite a superstar, and quite possible, that after another disappointing season a solid offer at the trade deadline might end his Portland stint.

What I´m basically saying is ...

(1) in NBA, teams get contributing players, still, only a rather small percentage of the players stick with their teams and contribute on a high level for a long time. Wade and Pierce are the shining examples, Nowitzki is a nice example for a team "buying" a trainee on the market to then train him.

(2) NBA is at the top a closed market with a pretty closed pool of both talent and overall players. In the lower tiers, position 12 - 18 on the rosters, NBA is an open market, and there you have a high fluctuation between NBA teams, Europe and Minor League Teams when it comes to signing those players.

(3) If even the closed market cannot exceed the margin of 20% "own developed" contributing on the roster (-> 3 or more), how do we expect a complete open league to buy into that concept.

Open Market relies alot more on "see where we are going with that guy, and if we somehow find out, "selling him" might take us further" concept, than the NBA does, still it´s a pretty often used concept even in the NBA.

Given the rather big gap between talent and contribution in the major leagues, it´s rather obvious, that especially young upper medium talent is not going to take the top teams very far, so instead selling those and trying to get your hands on a more promising talent seems pretty obvious to me.

Each league (in BB), which consists less than 30 teams, gets a draft that is equal to each league upon potential comparison.

It is not compared of choosing from a 50K pool, but of 50K teams choosing from an equal pool of 16 (per round). Each league having the same (upon potential) pool.

Basically you continue to play with the numbers so it with suite with the arrow already placed at "I don't want draft to be an aspect of a BB-managing game for every league, as it may interfere with the way I'm playing the game" (meaning W/O training a draft player).

I've already told you - you are mixing him up with too many FACTs...

He tried (W/O even knowing on what he is speaking about) to turn the discussion to number of all-star a team had originally drafted. Like the draft consists only all-star players, and the teams NBA teams are all0-start players only.

Most of the teams in the NBA are using extensively their drafted (mainly first round picks) players during those players contract.

This is a FACT.
Oops. I've brought a fact... My mistake...

And as expected after his trying to narrow it down only to all-star players, now he gone to a deeper narrowing.

Let me guess your next argument step...
Hmm. all-star players who played in Chicago and their initials are M.J., they have been the greatest player to play the game, and their name is NOT Michael Jordan...

Training draft players consists Dejuan Blair, Lopez, and others on that level.
They are not thrown, quite the opposite - they have a significant role on their team.