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So in developed countries this would hurt teams even more, as teams that aren't good enough suffer even more so financially.

You missed the point. In developed countries, the bottom teams (finishing last) are already losing money or breaking even because practically every team is pushing the limit (in terms of salary). The floor suggestion does not impact them at all.

And I really see no reason for a last placed team to make money off of their season income, especially in division I and II.

any one can use this strategy and so it offers choice in the game and I think it is another way to success.

It is at the moment the fastest way to dominate your country for a middling division I team. In fact, just sitting on your bank balance is already a fast way to advance (because of the rapid deflation). When you add to that 10 million in profit...

I seem to remember the BBs saying (once upon a time) that no strategy should be incredibly dominant over the others. And really, there is absolutely no need to demote. You just have to win enough games to get a relegation game, add enough players to win the series at the end of the season and rinse and repeat for another season.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/29/2010 2:17:26 PM

How do you make it impossible to tank?
What is the difference between a team trying to tank and a team that has a decent roster but just sucks and isn't good enough to beat people.

that you don't earn "infinite" money, and that you still could get close to a win and sometimes even win games ;)

However, my main argument is directed against those who are complaining. It isn't the economy's job to cater towards the consumer. The consumer must adapt to the current situation. It's simply deplorable to complain that because the economy is in deflation the game is no longer of good quality.

I would agree with you if the BBs actually allowed the market to go through a normal flow. However, much of the current deflation is attributable to their input into the market for better or for worse. Others have mentioned actions or inactions that have led to the current situation (free agents, lack of competition, etc). I don't want to rehash too much.

Like I said in a previous message, who is to say that these actions are actually bringing us towards equilibrium? And if we are really almost there, then why not scale some of them back? It only stands to reason, for example, that if you eliminate free agency in one fell swoop that this period of deflation will only be followed by another period of inflation.

In short... suck it up.

Don't worry, I will. Perhaps you will even see me tank later this season if the BBs maintain status quo. I just want to clinch 4th place 1st and go far enough in the cup. Then I will assess the lay of the land and go forward. ;-)

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/29/2010 3:17:59 PM

can you give us a list of the plethora of people that have tanked their way down, sold off, came back up and stayed there?

Well, since this tactic is just starting to be optimal now, you will have to give me a season or two. But Sharman is well on his way. I think there were at least two other examples in this thread of teams who have done this and banked large amounts of cash. Do you want me to link them?

I did it last season but did not demote. You do not have to demote to make this tactic work.

You have the information, but i am wrong if i say that during this offseason the ''GPD of the teams'' was and its in one of their lowests value?

I do have the feeling, the market is down, not because people doesnt want to pay high prices, i do think its more because managers cant afford to pay more since they havent liquidity.


So, I still have my doubts about this method of ''self tuning economy'' because its not working as fast as managers needs or at least this is what i observated or read in differents threads.

Just to put an example, if you compare this ''bubble'' to the houses ''bubble'' you will find the managers have invested all their time-money on their players training etc, but all this training value lost combined with the lack of liquidity its just a big fail.

So yes, definitively as i said before, the change of the salarys every season might not be enough and some more liquitidy to the game would make it better.


PD: Just about how hard its going, last season i did my best season on cup, but still lost some money, this season im still on red numbers, just winning 3-4K thanks to the cup and I dindt have any chance to sell 2 players during 3 weeks with reasonable prices. The only thing I see i will be affected coz the wheel its to slow and probably when im out of the cup my -366k will turn to -410k.

Last edited by Marot at 10/29/2010 9:25:08 PM

Is tanking a viable tactic in a high userbase country? Has anyone successfully tanked and come up stronger then before? I think this topic is getting really interesting, with some pretty good points. I don't think that taxing a team for having less than 12 players on the roster is the way to go. Listing just 5 players for a scrimmage should be ok (atleast in my opinion). Teams with less than 8 players on their roster (including injured players) should get automatic walkovers. I just can't imagine a team with less than 8 players on any level. I know atleast in estonia there is a rule that you must have atleast 5 starters, so you have to be able to list atleast 5 players for any game.
We can't actually drop the surveys all to 0.5 when a team decides to tank and get's 5 (8 lol)x 5k (or 1k) scrubs to fill his roster. Why? Because some countrys with low amount of users will start out in a league that might hand their asses to them every game anyway. I think tanking is not really an option in a country with a large userbase. If you happen to relegate, then getting up again might turn out to be a hard task. Spending 2+ seasons in a lower league will hurt you even more. Merchandise will drop anyway. I actully see no way to cut the tanking teams arena income. But I see some good ideas here, prolly we will get to that later on.
In the meantime I ressurected a suggestion (141756.8). Check it out and help to build that idea.

Last edited by Kukoc at 10/30/2010 7:36:26 AM

As often I agree with you. At the moment I need to sell stop. I need to sell but I can't do that cause I will earn 2 cents. If I will be sure that these 2 cents will remain 2 cents I could even start to sell someone but I'm really afraid that the prices will raise so basically in this case I will lose money and competitivity at the same time. It happened in the past...

In season 11 Joyo won the Italian championship with 6 players on roster: (20337401)
Imho he had a good luck but that's it