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181078.142 in reply to 181078.138
Date: 4/25/2011 11:09:20 PM
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Naismith
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As it stands, it makes financial sense for an upstart II team to intentionally lose in the league finals instead of trying for promotion. This should NEVER be the case.
I'm not sure I understand this point. If you look at revenue gained over a 2 season period, you would want to be the team that promotes 10 times out of 10. First, Stajan got a $1 million bonus for promotion. Secondly, profits are larger (even with a smaller arena) than in div.2, even if his player costs are higher. Third, if he tanks, he'll get a high draft pick. The only downside is the season he goes back into div. 2, he has a lower fan survey for 1 of the questions.
Am I missing something?

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181078.143 in reply to 181078.142
Date: 4/25/2011 11:18:45 PM
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Yes. You're missing that it's still financially beneficial for him to tank (just barely scraping by the salary floor) than it is to try and field a competitive team, even if the effort is futile. Using a CT here and there, etc. Just trying to take some wins back with him.

In the EPL structure, the notion of a newly promoted Championship team doing this is rightly ridiculous. But that's because that team won't lose its fan support if it relegates from the EPL, yet Stajan will, whether he tries to win or not.

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181078.144 in reply to 181078.143
Date: 4/25/2011 11:53:18 PM
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You're missing that it's still financially beneficial for him to tank.
So you want it to be less financially beneficial if he tanks? It seems to me like your concern is just fan survey and not the player salaries floor at all, but I may be wrong here.

Last edited by Fresh24 at 4/25/2011 11:55:01 PM

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181078.145 in reply to 181078.144
Date: 4/26/2011 12:00:00 AM
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Yes.

Last edited by RiseandFire at 4/26/2011 12:00:18 AM

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181078.147 in reply to 181078.146
Date: 4/26/2011 11:34:16 AM
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As well, you can also look at the opportunity cost to stay in the league, since that's probably going to be lower than demoting if you can pull it off. Looking at Naismith and the NBBA, teams sitting in 6th-7th don't have too incredibly high of records. Heck, depending on the conference, it wouldn't be hard to make 5th or even 4th with a losing season.

It's far more trouble than it's worth to try and rebuild those teams and compare salaries from last season, but how much on average would it take to build your roster a little to be able to come in 6th or 7th instead of 8th? If you can build just enough to survive relegation then you don't have to worry about angry fans the next season and you can keep on moving in your league bringing down that extra TV contract the next year.

From: Jay_m

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181078.148 in reply to 181078.146
Date: 4/26/2011 12:28:17 PM
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The team that had demoted from Div. 1 to 2 last year rebuilt their fan base after about half the season as they won almost all of their games. I think there is no question that you are better off promoting even if you demote the year after.

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181078.150 in reply to 181078.149
Date: 4/26/2011 4:02:31 PM
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I still don't think it's an accurate representation of fan response, though. If a new team that has promoted every season in its existence makes it to a very high level and then gets demoted, it's a bit unreasonable that all their fans would suddenly abandon them. My issue with the fan support system in general is that there's no adjustment for difficulty. A 12 season-old team in a country with 23 active teams gets as much of a bonus for promoting into their premier league as a 5 season old team would making a run from a tougher country's DV to their top league. And you as a manager might feel good about yourself for starting poorly and scrapping thing together to make a run/sneak in as the 4 seed in a really tough conference, but your fans consider the season a failure.

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