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I don't want to downplay this year's B3 champion's work; he won with outstanding roster. I just wanted to point out his result is not the proof that 2-3 works. It would be interesting to watch the match between this year's champion and Dyonisius from two seasons ago.

I don't know what other proof you need to think that 2-3 actually works. It was the final of B3, highest level of the game, and the chinese team not only had great players, but also higher salary for them.

Yet you complain that he didn't have the "most perfect" guards for LI because one of them had only 8 IS.

You really need to stop bit****g about the game tactics. I only see you complaining about it all the time. The 2-3 works fine, if you have the brain to make it work.

Młoty Stargard truly deserved to win it, what a great manager. This is it. He managed to win without losing money during the road. First time I see it happening as far as I remember.

He had to had JS more distributed along PG-SG-SF positions, respectively 17-17-17 in JS would have been enough and he could have this within his current salaries.

Please ignore my posts, i.e. don't reply to them. Thanks.

Id take Dionysus and hostivar over this one.

This might be the cheepest thow.

Someone has just used a 2-3 zone to win both the semi-finals and the finals of the B3 tournament and become world effin champions... and you're still saying that 2-3 zone doesn't work?

EEEEEEEEEEEEEH?

Someone has just used a 2-3 zone to win both the semi-finals and the finals of the B3 tournament and become world effin champions... and you're still saying that 2-3 zone doesn't work?

EEEEEEEEEEEEEH?

Before I explain myself, a disclaimer first: Please no KNEE-JERK reactions! Read the whole post and think about it before you reply. If you don't agree, present arguments. If you just want to vent, do it somewhere else.

That's what I'm saying: 2-3 zone might work, but this year's B3 isn't proof for that (this is MY OPINION). B3 champion won four games prior to the finals with 25.5 point of difference. The only one who could give him a run for his money was the finalist, who lost for 3 points, and he didn't have an optimal team - his SG was sub-par.

Don't get me wrong: I think this year's B3 champion built a terrific team. He lowered salaries of his players by making certain skills weaker, but 2-3 zone hid those weaknesses perfectly. However, you should note that despite playing 2-3 in semifinals and finals, he had 2 blocks between those games combined. This means a team like Dyonisius, who like Mloty Stargard built perfect players for Look inside but also had enough JS/JR on positions 1-3, probably smashes the 2-3 zone presented in this year's finals.

The proof is Mloty won by just 3 against suboptimal team. I realize his opponent had roughly 400k in salaries more, so if Mloty have had 1.3M roster, he would beat the hell out of him. However, we saw time and time again 2-3 cannot stop Look inside if the LI player has enough JS/JR on positions 1-3. Recently we tested 2-3 a lot in a PL and got constantly burned by good outside shooters even if they were playing LI. It didn't matter if defenders in 2-3 had high OD, high SB and whatnot.

Oh and don't let me forget one more thing...Mloty played in cup finals that took place 6 days before B3 finals, so he carried more enthusiasm over those 6 days than the other finalist.

Once more, for disclaimer: If you think I'm downgrading Mloty or complaining about 2-3, or any other nonsense, please stay away from replying. I don't care for your venting. I care for a healthy and constructive debate. If I'm wrong and you prove it, I'll admit it (I always did).

Even if this is not the best example the 2-3 zone has indeed improved.

It forces a better distribution of shots, limiting inside players to a small amount of good shots and making the opposite team take jumpers that are very innefective in look inside offence.

If you have the weapon to counter that either by passing or having terrific shooters you should be able to counter the zone, in the end that is what happens in real life.

I agree completely. Mloty is showing the direction we have to take in order to try to make 2-3 work. It's another question if it will work against LI with 19/13 shooters from 1-3, but we'll have to see. I'm still of the opinion it won't work, because even if you stop inside players completely with added SB, outside shooting more than compensates for that.

Gongrats to the champion for an amazing achievement!

@Koperboy,

i understand your view point, but if it takes 19/13 outside shooters, on top of everything else, for LI to beat a well structured 2-3 defense, then that's the biggest confirmation the tactic, certain criteria met of course, works.
I doubt there are many teams out there, that can afford these extra and costly skills to start with, let alone deciding to risk building such teams.
Apart from the economical disfunction of such an attempt, there is the tactical as well. Cause if someone risks it and builds such a team to attack 2-3 zones, he may very well end up being vulnerable to man to man!
If the ballhandling guards of a LI team have 19/13s, it is a very likely scenario, the ball not being fed inside enough, since the dominating attribute of the ballhandlers is jump shooting, instead the guards taking far more and contested jump shots, than any LI set up would like them to take.