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Look Inside tactic STILL far too dominant!

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245985.149 in reply to 245985.146
Date: 8/28/2013 11:55:42 AM
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Going forward I plan to train far less ID and train SB in it's place. For starters, this will build cheaper salaried players but I agree with many of the previous posters that LI can't be stopped even with high levels of ID. Therefore I don't agree with your opinion that it's a 'fact' that training ID has been determined is the proper direction for all users. If it was a fact we would actually have some positive results from it don't you think?


I know GM-Manon has been doing the SB thing for a while, so I suppose his team would be a viable preview of the ID+SB combo. I kind of wish now I hadn't stopped training OD when my bigs got to 10 but at some point I suppose their dreams of being PGs had to end. ;)

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Date: 8/28/2013 11:56:07 AM
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Another point is,people seem willing to cut down on JR for their gurads when they playe inside tactics,but expect to play outside offenses with 15 IS big men and then complain about the cost..

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Date: 8/28/2013 12:37:02 PM
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I wondered if you are worthy of a reply at all. You are picking cherries and taking things out of context only to be picking fights obviously. I didn't say to hrudey he has to have ID 10 on his bigs. But being in D.III, you probably don't know the difference between ID 18 and ID 16 for example. Lo and behold, I do! And it's much smaller than the salary boost! And how do I know that? Because I've been playing in D.I for three seasons now and you're still stucked in D.III, but you are talking down to me as if I "didn't play at half-decent level in BB", to borrow your words.

Btw, do you know what ID has center of Dyonisus, who won B3 three times? You probably do not. If you did, you wouldn't go and embarass yourself like that.

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Date: 8/28/2013 2:22:46 PM
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Good luck with your strategy


You are arguing, and may I add in an arrogant fashion, with two D.I leaguers who have a lot more experience on high level play than you about some theory you can't back up. Maybe you should take your head out of the clouds and study the game a bit instead of picking fights.

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Date: 8/28/2013 2:44:30 PM
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Good luck with your strategy


You are arguing, and may I add in an arrogant fashion, with two D.I leaguers who have a lot more experience on high level play than you about some theory you can't back up. Maybe you should take your head out of the clouds and study the game a bit instead of picking fights.


Yeah, but let's be honest, you're both in I.1 in hockey countries (viva Kopitar!) so I'm certain your opinions can be discounted. ;)

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Date: 8/28/2013 3:05:50 PM
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But it can't exist any debatement about how building a player that is cost effective that sees a reduction of ID to such a low level
Defenses are good to train to high level in any cost efficiency model


The key to BB is creating a salary efficient team, not running a particular tactic. Yes, in D.III where most of your experience is, 10 ID rather than 12 ID may make a big difference. Against 19 IS, it’s negligible, just as there’s not a dramatic difference between 3 ID and 5 ID against 12 IS.

Take my starting center, Macaldo, for example. His primaries are 19/9/18/4. This allows him to score efficiently (forcing opponents to think twice about running a 3-2) and rebound against even NT level bigs, while costing me a mere 85k a week. To increase his ID from 9 to 12 (which would do little to slow down elite bigs), he would cost over 120k a week. To get his ID to 18, where he would be much more effective but still struggle with a lack of SB, I would have to pay over 250k in salary.

I’ve found that investing in other areas (RB, OD, PA, etc.) produces a much more effective team.

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Date: 8/28/2013 3:07:19 PM
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The fact Li is so dominant in bb got noticed by Jonas Kazlauskas, LTU national trainer, he exclusivelly run LI no excuses, he kicked all of the snipers out of a team and got left with guys shoting like 25 percent 3pointers while being open. He gona try to do it in real life. Is he mad? Maybe no. Does he play BuzzerBeatter? Defitenely YES.

Do you know what his excuses after eurochampionship will be? I DO "Well, if we couldnt win it with LI then we would have had no chances with any other tactic, so its players fault they so shitty. Training system is broke, doesnt provide me with good outside shooters who could run outside tactics" a perfect excuse, no doubt.

PLEASE GM's STOP THIS MADDNESS!!!

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 8/28/2013 3:14:41 PM

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Date: 8/28/2013 3:17:17 PM
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You know Kopitar? He's such a good guy and the biggest celebrity in our country

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Date: 8/28/2013 3:20:44 PM
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Very good reasoning. I think you have good experience also about appropriate level of OD for C and PF. How high OD could also stop LI at D.1 level with such low ID as 9? Of course there is very few such players available....

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Date: 8/28/2013 3:40:39 PM
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You know Kopitar? He's such a good guy and the biggest celebrity in our country


I don't know him and haven't met him, but I'm a long-time Kings fan and he quickly became my favorite player. But from the people I do know who are actually in LA who have met him or know him, he's definitely the highest quality of person off the ice too. And of course I loved the stories of Slovenians staying up essentially overnight to watch the Finals a couple of seasons ago and the eruption when he scored in OT to beat Brodeur in game 1.

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But it can't exist any debatement about how building a player that is cost effective that sees a reduction of ID to such a low level
Defenses are good to train to high level in any cost efficiency model


The key to BB is creating a salary efficient team, not running a particular tactic. Yes, in D.III where most of your experience is, 10 ID rather than 12 ID may make a big difference. Against 19 IS, it’s negligible, just as there’s not a dramatic difference between 3 ID and 5 ID against 12 IS.

Take my starting center, Macaldo, for example. His primaries are 19/9/18/4. This allows him to score efficiently (forcing opponents to think twice about running a 3-2) and rebound against even NT level bigs, while costing me a mere 85k a week. To increase his ID from 9 to 12 (which would do little to slow down elite bigs), he would cost over 120k a week. To get his ID to 18, where he would be much more effective but still struggle with a lack of SB, I would have to pay over 250k in salary.

I’ve found that investing in other areas (RB, OD, PA, etc.) produces a much more effective team.

You did something very smart for your specific situation,and exploting the weaknesses of your adversaries team,you are a pretty good manager
The problem is that it's impossible to reproduce this strategy to the lower levels,and given that the problem of LI dominance is general,your laudable example can't alone change a comme in the debatement
Put out an NT caliver level Od or better,it's not something that can be done if not by having enough money to sustain these kinds of superdefender guards and skyhigh IS.

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