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10473.15 in reply to 10473.14
Date: 1/9/2008 10:34:20 PM
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There is no benefit whatsoever to your team in winning the tournament.

I'd say the income I received from 9 cup games helped my team somewhat.

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10473.16 in reply to 10473.15
Date: 1/10/2008 12:07:22 AM
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There is no benefit whatsoever to your team in winning the tournament.

I'd say the income I received from 9 cup games helped my team somewhat.


Yes, there is definitely some gross benefit. I don't believe there's anything close to a net benefit for a top division team.

As a US top division team, how did you treat those cup games?

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10473.17 in reply to 10473.16
Date: 1/10/2008 12:24:18 AM
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Yes, there is definitely some gross benefit. I don't believe there's anything close to a net benefit for a top division team.

As a US top division team, how did you treat those cup games?

I took them seriously, as I did my home league games. I basically threw my away league games to spread training minutes around and bank enthusiasm.

Granted, since I just promoted to the NBBA, I didn't have title aspirations at the start of the season. I wanted to finish at least fifth to ensure another season. Fortunately for me, the teams in my league are pretty evenly matched, so I haven't fallen too far behind the leaders - the playoffs are certainly within reach.

I'm not sure how I'll do it next season. While I was in the cup this season, I pretty much TIE'd every game, and I lost pretty much all of them. I haven't played around with enthusiasm much since the TIE/CT changes, but perhaps I'd be a bit more competitive next season doing this. Doesn't solve the training minutes problem, though, but I guess that's the tradeoff with the increased money from cup games. (Well, from home cup games, anyway.)

I suppose there's increased experience for the players from cup games, but I don't know how important that is.

edit: I just realized that I've already clinched a playoff spot. Yay!

Edited by dhoff (1/10/2008 1:18:19 AM CET)

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10473.18 in reply to 10473.15
Date: 1/10/2008 4:53:12 AM
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I haven't bothered to calculate it or anything, but I have doubts that your total income for the season was higher becuase of that money. If you were forced to sacrifice even road games in your regular season it would affect attendance probably as much as you earn from those games. What good is making an extra 20k in a cup game if you lose it in revenue because of losses elsewhere?

Simply put, the better your team plays the better attendance you have. Now, while focusing on home games will mitigate that problem a little bit you still will have a lesser record to overcome which will decrease attendance. On the other hand losing cup games does not seem to have any result on attendance.

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10473.19 in reply to 10473.18
Date: 1/10/2008 5:22:10 AM
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On the other hand losing cup games does not seem to have any result on attendance.


I can assure you that it does, but remember that you only lose one per season.

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10473.20 in reply to 10473.19
Date: 1/10/2008 7:20:13 AM
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Fair enough, but as you said....you only lose one.

My point still stands...if it costs you 5 or 6 league games to go deep in the tournament it seems unlikely that the meager amount you make during those cup games makes up for lost attendance at home during league play.

Unless you dominate your league like BC Törööö dominates ours. His bench could probably make a deep cup run if he chose without his sacrificing much of anything during league play.

I'm not here to say that I want changes to the cup system...I'm just here to say that I think it is pointless for anyone to bother trying to win it.

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10473.21 in reply to 10473.17
Date: 1/10/2008 1:23:13 PM
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You treated the cup pretty similar to how I did, and you were in a similar position with your league expectations.

... Doesn't solve the training minutes problem, though, but I guess that's the tradeoff with the increased money from cup games. (Well, from home cup games, anyway.)


See, here's my problem. I had 8 out of 10 road games in my cup run, and most (all?) of them were in default-size arenas. The income for me in those games was not good. Maybe things are a little different in the USA with more teams with expanded arenas?

Edited by oeuftete (1/10/2008 1:23:45 PM CET)

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10473.22 in reply to 10473.18
Date: 1/10/2008 4:42:20 PM
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I haven't bothered to calculate it or anything, but I have doubts that your total income for the season was higher becuase of that money. If you were forced to sacrifice even road games in your regular season it would affect attendance probably as much as you earn from those games. What good is making an extra 20k in a cup game if you lose it in revenue because of losses elsewhere?

Simply put, the better your team plays the better attendance you have. Now, while focusing on home games will mitigate that problem a little bit you still will have a lesser record to overcome which will decrease attendance. On the other hand losing cup games does not seem to have any result on attendance.

All of my home league games this season were sellouts, even though they were following my away league losses. I was quite surprised about this.

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10473.23 in reply to 10473.21
Date: 1/10/2008 4:44:17 PM
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See, here's my problem. I had 8 out of 10 road games in my cup run, and most (all?) of them were in default-size arenas. The income for me in those games was not good. Maybe things are a little different in the USA with more teams with expanded arenas?

I should probably mention that I played 7 of my 9 cup games at home. That's probably significant. :)

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10473.24 in reply to 10473.22
Date: 1/10/2008 7:46:28 PM
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Except for your last TV game at home.

...but it would seem then than as a whole you got lucky, because as has been explained you should have lost attendance because of your losses.

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10473.25 in reply to 10473.24
Date: 1/10/2008 8:21:30 PM
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Except for your last TV game at home.

...but it would seem then than as a whole you got lucky, because as has been explained you should have lost attendance because of your losses.

The last TV game at home came after a home league loss, an away league loss, and a cup loss (rather than after an a home win and an away loss). 200 bleachers were unsold for the TV game, which amounts to $3400 lost revenue, which was more than offset by the cup game.

I think the important point here is not that I was lucky, but that my arena is too small to show the effect my losses have on attendance.

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