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One question. Talking this, we may change something or this decision has been made?

A professional basketball court is 94 feet by 50 feet. That's 284 feet in which to put courtside seats. Figuring you have to have them off the court a bit, and that one whole side is given to the players and scorer's table, considering the first three rows courtside, and that each row back gets a few more feet of seats I'll throw out 900 feet worth of space for "courtside" seats. Considering that a seat takes up 24 inches of space, that's 450 seats that could physically be put in the first three rows of an arena. So 500 seats. I have 1000 courtside seats so I am bummed, but at the all-star break I will max my ticket prices, build 10 more luxury boxes, and hope to get the same amount of money.

According to Mark's message, there are 100 people who this change affects negatively. I am sorry you are one of them (as am I ) but really we should be happy that our teams are successful enough to have this problem.

then implement it from the beginning, this wasn't surprising but now it an economic killer and we can change anything ... So why now, and not saying this last season, when everyone build thats, instead of preparing the arena to the game we are playing.

Not that we only put money on the bank without interest for 2-3 Season without like with the other change, we totally have no chanche of reacting to this one.

And also minority, shouldn't be penalized, and like they said even without a econic reason but this thing is coming like a campaign against those hundreds managers.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/16/2009 3:16:18 AM

well... its a critical decision here...

i can understand the anger of any manager building back his arena for (more than) one season, makin a plan and then in allstarweek of season11 some bulldozers make a destructionderby in the courtsideseats and vip-lounges... even when this is announced rapidly

on the other hand...charles' example of the 5000 "courtsides" is chosen well, its a matter of realism.

the new changes are only crucial for teams in the top leagues, they fear their competitiveness on each other.. like a cold war of arena building.
another problem is: again there will be much extra-money from the arenarebuildings in the allstarbreak - again mostly for the topteams. this will make it even harder to promote to the top first devisions and be competetive there, though i dont know how many teams are affected...

i can understand both sides of argumentation but also see a lot of problems with this decisons... @ bbs: i'm not an economist... but aren't u able to find a 'better' solution for the 'arena problem'?

Last edited by schubrakete at 12/16/2009 5:39:09 AM

PS: is it realistic that seats disappear over night? So this is a realism change and lot of managers end up with a arena they didn't want, or build there arena today with other target, so this affects clearly more then 100 managers i think with the current decision it could be a long term fault to build addditional bleachers.

PS: is it realistic that seats disappear over night?

Come on, don't be that childish.

PS: is it realistic that seats disappear over night?

Come on, don't be that childish.

hey, at least i don't want my arena anymore with that distribution, i let stay alot of bleachers because i want to get close the 20k soon and raised my main economy on the expensiv seats, where i also had have the possibility to build on. Whats now? My main economy is broken down, and the new one is totally under predestinated because i build a lot of seats to get the 20k seats early.

And for me it isn't realistic or fun, to have those shitty arena without doing something wrong, or the possibility to do something against and even the old change which was a clear signal to build tons of vip lounges cost me a lot of money and time(and time is money and this is definately lost)

The last change was expensiv for me, but at least not forever.

And when we live in magic land, why aren't the possibility to let disappear other seats or appear new seats instead? This is realistic or not?

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/16/2009 7:16:03 AM

If your issue is really with the "courtside seats" not being courtside anymore, just rename them to something else. Call them platinum seats or whatever.

Personally, the mini-games that you describe do not really sound that interesting to me. I really like the arena system the way it is. And anything that means I have to spend more time tinkering with small details of the economic aspects of the game puts me off. Not to mention that eventually everyone who is in division I will have exactly the same arena.

But - the thing that is really annoying about this is the timing. If this is really a change for something that is coming a year down the road, why not just announce it 2 seasons in advance and give us the option to demolish when we want to? If people build up their courtside seats in the interm, you can't say you didn't warn them.

hi crazy, I know you're upset, but think of it this way: you're currently reducing bleachers to 13k, and you'll soon have 550 in courtside+VIP. that leaves 6450 under the cap for lower tier - I think only a handful of arenas have that many until now. you seem to think that you can go to 10000, maye 13000 for lower tier at lower prices. let's take the latter case, which I guess is a high-end estimate, so you'll have 26,550 seats. on most days then you won't fill all of them because of the cap, but on finals days you might get close actually. but let's say you still will have 4000 bleachers more than you'd want. you know how much that is - $ 800k. So in the end, you'll have 800k of capital locked away somewhere where you don't really want them. that's the worst that can happen to you. really so bad?

but if i hit the cap, i would say it affect the expensiv seats also, and if i loss visitor in the VIP area because i win two games in a rwow it will be bad buissness for me ... So arena size around 20k seem also to be good in a way of self protection. So it wasn't just 800.000 it was also building time, which is missing on the lower tie which only build slowly and it is a punishment for income in the future, so it become more on more.

And i don't like changes where you have no chanche to react, even the ticket prices will be again a problem from one day to another to fix it to total new enviroment, ok this was hard to also on the other change even harder with just one game in the dynamic price area(the other one was the first one where a visitor bug appeared) - also the arena thing was changed just before even the effect of the change ain't close to be finished yet, but from the reaction of it we will still suffer a long even when i am lucky i done with it in a month.

If the bb read it, the thing with the expensiv seats was discussed also before the change appears, at least i mention it directly after the change was set - but now they doing it without a warning to react on something which was planned from them because at this point it was ok for them.

OR: If i got the possibility to raise bleachers prices to 60, so that it really unused space you are right. But if i get 50 extra visitor on bleachers which cost me 2 VIP visitors and 3 courtside i make "-"

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/16/2009 8:38:53 AM