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137913.15 in reply to 137913.14
Date: 3/28/2010 10:46:47 AM
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I guess it depends where his team is at the moment. If he is already close to making promoting then maybe he should train him, but if he isn't near promoting, selling would gaurantee him promotion.

I guess my issue with keeping him to train, is that I don't think div 3 teams (assuming he promotes in successive seasons, which may or may not be likely) can afford 100k+ salaries for a single player. I might be wrong, but at least in Australia I don't think it can be done. Maybe it's different in US div 3.

I don't think he is going to promote to the NBBA in successive seasons, which means he is going to stop being able to afford the salary at some point. Why not trade him out now for someone with even MVP potential, or Superstar potential then? You would get an easy million profit, and still have just as good a trainee.

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137913.16 in reply to 137913.15
Date: 3/28/2010 11:01:16 AM
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For his player to get to 100k salary will take about 5 seasons. By that time he can easily be in D3. In every D3 around the world it is very possible to have a 100k salary player assuming you have managed your team and arena properly.

Why not trade him out now for someone with even MVP potential, or Superstar potential then? You would get an easy million profit, and still have just as good a trainee.

If he were to trade him in for a MVP or Superstar he would have a very small profit of a maximum 1 mil with most likely worse starting skils. His trainee is perfect 6'0" and great starting skills. Your not going to find something comparable if he tries to get another US trainee (To match the Merchandizing revenue he would lose by getting a foreigner).

I don't think he is going to promote to the NBBA in successive seasons, which means he is going to stop being able to afford the salary at some point.

It will take well over 6 seasons for the salary to hit a level of unreasonable. It would be much better to stop training a player by choice than be forced to by a cap when you need that player to become better still.


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137913.17 in reply to 137913.16
Date: 3/28/2010 11:08:36 AM
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"In every D3 around the world it is very possible to have a 100k salary player assuming you have managed your team and arena properly."

That's basically what our arguments are revolving around. You seem to think 100k is affordable, and since you are in the US you would know best about div 3 teams in the US. I was just coming from an Australian point of view, I don't think 100k is affordable in Australian div 3. Maybe if it was your only player, but you are bound to have 10-12 players, and I don't think an Australian div 3 team could afford that.

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137913.18 in reply to 137913.17
Date: 3/28/2010 11:18:51 AM
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There is no difference between the economics of a DIII Australian team and a US one except we most likely have been playing longer. Your teams have the benefit of being able to move up leagues easier making it easier for you to afford player salaries.


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137913.19 in reply to 137913.17
Date: 3/28/2010 11:19:31 AM
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Well.. the player that he mentioned is a SG so it's impossible for him to have a 100k salary at the age of 21. There are only a few Centers that accomplish it so no way. I think that a 100k player for a division III team is not affordable. It's better for him to have 3 or 4 with 30k than one with 100k because it makes your team Balanced.
I think that your fine with each opinion you choose. If you want to train him for the u-21 or even the National Team I think it's better for you to keep training the HOF player because of the cap and all. But if you sold him right now you could get some money and you could buy 3 or 4 players that would make your team balanced.

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137913.20 in reply to 137913.18
Date: 3/28/2010 11:33:25 AM
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Can you show me an American Div 3 team with a player with a salary over 100k?
Can you show me an Australian Div 3 team with a player with a salary over 100k?
Can you show me any Div 3 team in the world with a player with a salary over 100k?

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137913.21 in reply to 137913.20
Date: 3/28/2010 11:52:00 AM
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A D.IV team with a 117k player: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/23949/players.aspx

Obviously not sustainable long-term, but he probably has the cash reserves to make it back into III. Whether or not that roster is sustainable in III if the salary increases again this season is a different question.

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137913.23 in reply to 137913.21
Date: 3/28/2010 12:05:21 PM
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That team makes 82k in arena attendance.
Their players salaries are 200k.
Where is that 120k difference coming from to break even? Let's say Tv Contract is 60k. That still leaves 60k loss.
So unless his merchandise is 60k (which I doubt), he is losing money every week.

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137913.24 in reply to 137913.23
Date: 3/28/2010 12:11:11 PM
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I could see him making 40-60k in Merchandising as the player is American and Bronson will be on the US NT. Bronson is an example of what happens if you dont plan your team properly and train more than one star instead of just concentrating on your HOF. If he had worked on a second player as well as his HOF he would have not been in such a position.

But of course you will rebut this with your one season of experience.

The whole point of this argument is that selling off such an amazing player that you were lucky enough to draft is like ripping up a winning lottery ticket. Its just plain stupid.

With proper team management and arena building that HOF is his ticket to the big leagues.

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137913.25 in reply to 137913.24
Date: 3/28/2010 12:27:14 PM
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Your main argument is that a 100k player in division 3 is affordable.
And fine, if you have a 100k player with a bunch of very low salary players then it is affordable. But you will not see many (if any) good teams with that kind of player in div 3. It is much better to have 5 20k salary players.

I may only have 1 season of experience, but I still promoted, despite being a league where there were numerous teams that had been there for seasons and many had a much better team originally. It's not all about experience.

And it's not like ripping up a winning lottery ticket, it's more like taking a 10 million dollar payout now, rather than taking 15 million dollars total but paid 1 million a year over 15 years.

You might say that having it paid over 15 years is the better option, or you might go with the 10 million right now.
Both options have their benefits and both have their pitfalls.

If he thinks having a 100k player in div 3 is what he wants, then let him keep it. But he would be much better off, in my opinion, with 5 players with 20k salary each, and a bunch of old players with decent skills. Which he is much more likely to have if he sells his HOF player now, and buys new trainees and new old players.

But ultimately, to each their own.

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