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Only 10? Shoot, I assumed there'd be more... Gonna do my best to win the playoffs anyway in order to get a higher number of season tickets sold. Advancing through the BOT cleanup is going to remain as plan B. Anyway, thanks a lot for the info.

Going back to my initial questions in this thread and the game against a team that just went BOT on Monday. Turned out to be a smooth win with my team taking the lead very early on and increasing it as time went by. Two observations:

1. The BOT's tactics DID change to Base Offense / Man to Man as predicted.

2. The BOT's roster DID NOT change exactly as predicted. The assumption was that the player with the highest salary will be placed at PG, next highest salary at SG, etc. Here's how it worked in this case:

PG - nominal SF placed here (USD 5,132)
SG - nominal C placed here (USD 4,263)
SF - nominal SF placed here (USD 10,444)
PF - nominal C placed here (USD 22,522)
C - nominal PF placed here (USD 10,785)

To make it more weird, these are not the 5 players with top salaries in the team roster. There are other uninjured players with salaries of, e.g. USD 7,709 or 6,599 who started on the bench.

Some players of that team may have went to the Free Agent Market, altough with the increased needed salary to go the FA market and the fact that a D5 team, few or none players may have left to it. New players will be created only and if that team is replaced by a new human manager.

I can confirm that no players left the team in the last few weeks. The roster stayed exactly the same, it's just the lineup that changed.

The team is: NY KNICKS NY (55442)

Starters before the team turned into a BOT:
PG - Acero (nominal PG, USD 7,709)
SG - Virgil (nominal SF, USD 10,444)
SF - Niemczuk (nominal SF, USD 5132)
PF - Macijevskis (nominal PF, USD 10,785)
C - Priolo (nominal C, USD 22,522)

Starters after the team turned into a BOT:
PG - Niemczuk (nominal SF, USD 5,132)
SG - Murdza (nominal C, USD 4,263)
SF - Virgil (nominal SF, USD 10,444)
PF - Priolo (nominal C, USD 22,522)
C - Macijevskis (nominal PF, USD 10,785)

I can't find an easy explanation for the way the lineup was reset. Perhaps it's just random at this point... And I guess it's not a big deal, it's just that darn curiosity that's difficult to handle sometimes ;)

Last edited by Yossarian at 2/26/2014 8:57:19 AM

OK, so here's a follow-up question regarding the BOT cleanup. Do you know which criteria and in what order decide which teams promote as part of the cleanup? (Let's forget about the teams which advance as playoff winners)

I would assume that the first thing would be the overall win-lose record, so teams with 22-0 final record would be considered first, ahead of teams with a 21-1 record, etc.

So assuming we're only looking at teams with a perfect 22-0 record... What comes next? The point differential? The country rank?

Last edited by Yossarian at 3/1/2014 5:03:47 PM

I was hoping that the country rank would be considered at some point as well. I did some snooping around in the other fifth leagues in Poland and found that for example in league V.60 there are only two live players, all the other teams are BOT's. One of the live players is undefeated but has a country rank of 1802 (my rank is 916). When it comes to point differential he's far ahead of me which is understandable looking at his oppenents and mine. Why should he get promoted over me? I think the country rank should be one of the deciding factors if not THE deciding factor in this case. It's not perfect but it's definitely more objective than the current logic.

This brings me to another matter... Was it ever considered to have a horizontal shuffle of teams between same-level leagues after the playoffs to make their level more even? Surely, it would make the game more fair for everyone and would assure that the better managers advance instead of the luckier ones...

I've seen my share of new managers who join my league and only log in once, then disappear. Looks to me like they just take a quick look at the league, see that it's quite strong and just try again with a different login or IP address. And they keep doing that until they land in some league like V.60 where they only have BOT's to play against, can invest all their money in staff, arena, etc. and don't need to worry about buying good players at all.

Not that I'm complaining because I love the game and will stick to my team no matter what but I think it's more fun to know that scouting, planning, making good decisions, etc. play a more important role than pure luck.