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263457.15 in reply to 263457.14
Date: 10/18/2014 7:34:47 AM
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-Who's the odds-on favorite to win the NBBA Title? Eugene, Bullish, TNT, Tucumcari or someone else ?


way too early to tell; too many teams still fiddling with rosters and rebuilds. ATL has just sold everyone who brought The Hawks to the dance and is at ground zero. Tucumcari is removing salary -- to be replaced? AZ has eight players on his roster earning less than $10,000 a week -- where's he going? Our newbies are sitting on promotion cash and probably more and, from what i can tell, have not yet bought their NBBA squads. But to give an answer, TnT has an unchanged killer team; right now, he's the guy to beat.


-Did anyone get a decent draft pick ?


i saw that Saul got an 18 year HOF he is asking $4.25 million for

-How will the blank lineup prevention affect things ? I think it will level the playing field a great deal ...


this i would like to see your thoughts on why you say this. i did not know so many teams were using it.

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Date: 10/18/2014 10:29:35 AM
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ATL has just sold everyone who brought The Hawks to the dance and is at ground zero.


Don't mind me, I'm just passing through. A minor miscalculation resulted in my spiraling finances. I'm going to just collect some money and try for a quick bounce back.

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263457.17 in reply to 263457.15
Date: 10/18/2014 11:02:29 AM
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Well, from what I hear the blank lineup is still in effect (thx Yuck). Thanks goodness - my team is (or was) built on depth and frequent substitutions. When you fill in the depth chart, backups hardly play

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Date: 10/18/2014 8:43:26 PM
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-Who's the odds-on favorite to win the NBBA Title? Eugene, Bullish, TNT, Tucumcari or someone else ?


way too early to tell; too many teams still fiddling with rosters and rebuilds. ATL has just sold everyone who brought The Hawks to the dance and is at ground zero. Tucumcari is removing salary -- to be replaced? AZ has eight players on his roster earning less than $10,000 a week -- where's he going? Our newbies are sitting on promotion cash and probably more and, from what i can tell, have not yet bought their NBBA squads. But to give an answer, TnT has an unchanged killer team; right now, he's the guy to beat.


Same players, yes. Same skills, no. OTOH, I do like the hefty discount I get from all of these aging players.

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263457.19 in reply to 263457.15
Date: 10/20/2014 2:18:32 PM
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AZ has eight players on his roster earning less than $10,000 a week -- where's he going?


Rebuilding, doing a complete overhaul. It's time, my core is all 34-37 years old. Going to try and make an outside team. Would be interesting to make it back to the NBBA and win a title with a completely different type of team. Not sure if anyone's won it with an all inside team and an all outside team before.

It'll certainly be more fun to watch games and be happy instead of sad when my players chuck 3's.

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263457.20 in reply to 263457.19
Date: 10/20/2014 4:02:57 PM
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i guarantee you we will be hearing from Hrudey within 48 hours about building an outside team in BB . . .

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263457.21 in reply to 263457.20
Date: 10/21/2014 11:04:52 AM
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i guarantee you we will be hearing from Hrudey within 48 hours about building an outside team in BB . . .


I think he'd much rather hear from someone who could build a *good* outside team. ;)

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263457.22 in reply to 263457.21
Date: 10/21/2014 2:28:51 PM
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I think I remember reading in a separate thread how you were building your outside team. Yours was an interesting idea. Mine is sort of similar, in the aspect that I'll be training the Bigs as well, but the builds will be different.

I've got a test case going right now in Utopia. But those trainees are limited, and won't be as good as I'd like.

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Date: 10/21/2014 4:45:56 PM
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if you don't mind, and i hope hrudey contributes his thoughts and experience, what do you think it would take to produce a good outside team? theoretically speaking.

i am guessing such a team would exploit JR much more than we are used to. but JR in combination with what? DR? and aim for a run-and-gun? DR and HA? run-and-gun or motion? team PA? and run a low post or Princeton? and does the ratio of JR to JS matter, or, rather, how much does it matter? i would love to create a team that is looking for 3s, but i don't know how to build that into the DNA of the squad (JR 17, JS 12?)

to me, the advantages are in the math. if you could create a team that shot threes at 33%, that team would produce points at the same rate as one that shot 2-pointers at 50% -- and very few NBBA teams shoot 50%, but many of us are in the 20 - 25% range without really trying. this suggests to me 33% is an achievable goal.




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Date: 10/21/2014 5:12:01 PM
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It would have to be more than 33%, because they won't take exclusively 3 point shots. They'll be some long two's, some attempts at the rim, etc. So if it's 33% from 3 and 50% from 2, it'd be even. But since jump shooting teams are typically (I think) in the lower 40's for average FG%, the percentage from 3 would have to be higher.

A few seasons ago (probably like 5 or 6) I saw that Poland's NT had a PF that was shooting a couple 3's a game in league play, and hitting them in the high 30's percentage wise. That's sort of what got me thinking about this.

For the longest time, I don't think Silverbacks had a big that was over 60-70k in salary, and most of his bigs were half that. They were all specialists with only rebounding, some ID, no IS or SB. So he put his payroll towards much more expensive guards than normal.

If through training bigs, we can save on salary, and toss out some NT caliber guards...might the overall 3pt and 2pt FG% be good enough?

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Date: 10/21/2014 5:43:54 PM
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if you don't mind, and i hope hrudey contributes his thoughts and experience, what do you think it would take to produce a good outside team? theoretically speaking.

i am guessing such a team would exploit JR much more than we are used to. but JR in combination with what? DR? and aim for a run-and-gun? DR and HA? run-and-gun or motion? team PA? and run a low post or Princeton? and does the ratio of JR to JS matter, or, rather, how much does it matter? i would love to create a team that is looking for 3s, but i don't know how to build that into the DNA of the squad (JR 17, JS 12?)

to me, the advantages are in the math. if you could create a team that shot threes at 33%, that team would produce points at the same rate as one that shot 2-pointers at 50% -- and very few NBBA teams shoot 50%, but many of us are in the 20 - 25% range without really trying. this suggests to me 33% is an achievable goal.





I've tried both a 15 JS/15 JR guy and a 19/11 guy and neither seemed to be really effective at SG against II level defenders. The disappointing thing is even uncontested shots are missed at an alarming rate. I kind of think you need to have something like 18/16 or higher to be really effective at the NBBA level, though SM if he's lurking here would be a far better judge of that. Of course, the thing that really strikes me is that a guy that I had trouble with a lot is on the TL now that his owner demoted to III, and he's only 19/12, but he had 16 driving while Winkler and Yi were both only at 14. But if driving were more of a factor,I'd expect better from Shultz, who is 18/10 with 17 DR.

Of course, where outside shooting shines is when you can get your PF or C matched up against old-style three-skill donkeys on outside shots. Alas, the 3-2 makes that far less likely, and those players are far less common these days anyhow.

In terms of complementary offensive skills, I think driving is probably very important - especially once you start seeing 3-2s. It seems like all the offenses will still try driving layups if you have driving on your players - I know when the advanced stats were working still and I was playing pretty much exclusive Princeton, I had a lot of drives and really very few pure inside shots (and almost those from an old legacy center I had and the one of my three bigs who actually had double digits in IS).

Of course, even more important for me at least is the handling and passing everywhere. Not that it helps the offense score well, or shoot well, or even be remotely efficient. But what does seem to matter tremendously is avoiding turning the ball over - it lets me survive a significantly lower shooting percentage than if I lost extra possessions with turnovers. That's probably why SM had such a big focus on rebounding as well - more ORBs means more chances and less ORBs conceded means you have to stop them less frequently.

So back to the theoretical question, I'd love to see what a team with guards like 18/17/17/16/18/12-14 (plus decent ID and maybe RB on at least one for the SF position) plus bigs with like 12 in all the guard skills would do in an outside offense. And if those guards are ever on the TL, affordable with my bank account balance (currently about -80k) and salarywise...

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