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Although I wasn't planning to use FCP until the next season because of the need of some stamina training, today I decided to use it against an opponent that has very low offensive flow: (96980531)

Here are my implications:

1) I think with 80-90% probability, I would win this match if I used a normal tactic. But I don't think I would win that easily. The match was already over at the end of first half.

2) Opponent had 32 turnovers!

3) My starting 5 had around level 5 stamina and my ratings were devastated. But ratings of my opponent were also devastated as a result of FCP.

4) My SB skills are nothing special but I didn't see any positive total blocked shots in that match.

All in all, I'm happy with what I saw in that specific match. I should be ready to use it regularly after 1 all star break + 2 off-season stamina trainings.

Ratings are lower because your starters played fewer minutes. Worse players on court gives worse ratings.

That's also a factor but it should be a minor one. Because there are not much difference between my starters and bench players.

I found my ratings were about 10% lower using fcp compared to other defences, regardless of minutes played by starters. Also its an away game which again has a small effect.

3) My starting 5 had around level 5 stamina and my ratings were devastated. But ratings of my opponent were also devastated as a result of FCP.

Likely your opponent had worse stamina than you, though he did ok in the 4th quarter. But I do believe your opponent tires because of your use of fcp, even though he used patient. Speaking of which, his slow offence didn't really help him did it? That's good to see.

Likely your opponent had worse stamina than you, though he did ok in the 4th quarter. But I do believe your opponent tires because of your use of fcp, even though he used patient. Speaking of which, his slow offence didn't really help him did it? That's good to see.

When the team's offensive flow is so poor as to be maybe half of the pressing team's team OD (an assumption on my part since garbage time was involved), a slow offense is not going to help significantly unless the goal is trying to burn time when you don't turn it over so you have fewer chances to turn it over.

I found my ratings were about 10% lower using fcp compared to other defences, regardless of minutes played by starters. Also its an away game which again has a small effect.

3) My starting 5 had around level 5 stamina and my ratings were devastated. But ratings of my opponent were also devastated as a result of FCP.

Likely your opponent had worse stamina than you, though he did ok in the 4th quarter. But I do believe your opponent tires because of your use of fcp, even though he used patient. Speaking of which, his slow offence didn't really help him did it? That's good to see.

Well I'm not sure. My BB knowledge is limited regarding how fast should be played but considering real life basketball I'd rather playing faster against teams that use FCP. :)

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/96946470/boxscore.aspx)

That was my only game using FCP this season. All of my bigs, backups included, had Respectable OD or better. All of my guards, backups included, had Tremendous OD or better. I trained Stamina a ton before trying this one game experiment so everyone on the team had Respectable Stamina or better. This is the worst game that my team has played all year. Of course it was all fast paced so it was the most points that my team had allowed by far, and this was my only loss. The team I played is solid and it was at their home, but, I am fairly sure that if I would have used M2M defense that I would have won. Maybe you guys could explain why this didn't seem to work for a team that had specifically built to try and run this option.

Edit: The only reason that I see for me losing is because I got killed on the boards and they had so many 2nd chance baskets. You would think with 17 steals and 30 assist with my opponent having 20+ turnovers would have been a winning formula. Maybe I'm wrong.

Last edited by AIRFORCE1 at 7/26/2017 5:36:24 PM

Well I'm no expert of this tactic but besides bad luck, the only possible reason of this loss that I think it might be is the lack of domination at comparison between your OD and opponent's offensive flow. It's 7 vs. 9, which, I think it should be enough but it's hard to call that it's a domination. Opponent's offensive flow is nothing great but not very weak either. So maybe 21 TOs for your opponent was not enough? Don't know.

Your opponent had 5 more offensive boards than you, but I see it as a consequence of bad luck since your rebounding ratings are almost equal.

I've looked at your game. I've looked at all your starters, all have reasonable steal averages. Your rebounding was pretty good for a game with fcp, and as you say you forced 20 turnovers. All I can say is I would have expected you to win that game. Respectable stamina is certainly enough, though as you can see with each quarter the score gets worse. Maybe the fast paced offence was just too much, though that never worried me. I hate to say you were just unlucky, but in this case I think you were.

Edit: The only reason that I see for me losing is because I got killed on the boards and they had so many 2nd chance baskets. You would think with 17 steals and 30 assist with my opponent having 20+ turnovers would have been a winning formula. Maybe I'm wrong.

The net turnover differential was 11 (their 21 turnovers minus your ten), and they had five more offensive rebounds, so the number of extra possessions from those factors was just six, although you ended up with nine more shot attempts presumably due to rebounds out of bounds and fouls and whatnot.

The thing is, though, if you're running a FCP and you don't get a steal, the odds are good the other team will get a better shot. Since your OD is reduced (presumably on an individual basis as well as the team rating), your defense will be less effective and if my presumption that the reduction is individual as well as the team rating, it may explain why the opposing SG shot 6-8 from three against you, most of which were contested by your SG.

Basically, you're selling out for a steal; your opponent seems to be quite capable of not turning the ball over too frequently, and then taking the time to find the best shot opportunity and capitalizing on your decreased defense. Of course, you still could have easily won, as you had a one point lead and your PF at the line for two free throws in the last minute, but he missed them both and the rest is history.