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296648.15 in reply to 296648.10
Date: 10/29/2018 12:50:46 AM
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Glad to see you here. You are a real candidate at least :)

Bro, you're right about something, the elected one would coordinate training plans for players who will be in the U21 and/or senior NT, that is a two-manager job and that´s why a good communication will be a MUST. Even if XP is low, can be replaced by a strong team job with coach and community.

I received an offer from a manager who really wants to cooperate with me, but I told him that would be great for SG if he keeps free to join the elected one. I´m pretty sure he will be such a big help for any of us.
We are just a few and we need to stick together to make a step ahead for SG NTs.


From: japanguro

To: LDS
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296648.16 in reply to 296648.13
Date: 10/29/2018 1:19:11 AM
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Wow men! I think your post is simply awesome.

A NT21 manager should understand from the other manager what kind of player they intend to make then from there mix and match into the team you need to win games.


I wanna keep with this quote, it can´t be better. NT coaches doesn´t MAKE a training plan for a player who is not on your roster. He adds, helps, recommends, etc. Makes better what the owner do with his player in a context of his own team plan, and try to take advantage of that result for the NTs. This is a team game, not an NT game. First comes first.

Lastly to those candidate, if you did not win or such, do work with the winner and such and continue work with the community. Who knows you can be the next NT 21 head coach? To Current NT coach SHP. no matter who win do work with him to save our NT.


And this one too. That's the key IMO, we need to make even more good coaches than good players, we're just a few and this will not have inmediate results, if we start now, results will be visible in 3, 4 or more seasons. So, we all need each other to build that up, a continuous job sustainable in time.

From: BuzzRBeater

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296648.17 in reply to 296648.14
Date: 10/29/2018 1:45:43 AM
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Thanks for the warm welcome. I think I left in early season 30s. But gosh, things sure have changed. There are so many scouting options (used to be just two) and there's this new staff thingy, and blank lineup LI is no longer as effective as it used to be... Takes a lot to catch back.

That said, I do agree that experience doesn't really matter in this case. Frankly speaking being a U21 manager is totally different from a club manager - as long as you can tank and be rich enough to buy a super team, you're already halfway there. But sadly you can't do this in the U21, especially with a micronation like Singapore where you have limited resources.

It would be great if both candidates came up with a "blueprint" of how to handle the U21. Do correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't been in this community long enough to know if such a system is in place, but this is important if we want continuity.

Basically as a U21 manager, communication is important (and yes you all have mentioned about reports), but other than communication in terms of NT reports etc, the U21 manager would also have to build rapport with the managers (especially those in div II) to help with drafting good players so that the good ones don't go to waste. Excel spreadsheet, Google forms - all these can be used as a database for players.

I do agree with LDS over not overlooking low potential players (tho it depends on how low, I'm sure we don't want a BB developer potential player on the list xD ) - we certainly don't have the luxury of doing that here. I've been quite off the U21 scene for a few years, but back then I would have a minimum potential of star on my shortlist, while loosely keeping an eye on starters (happened once, we had an injury crisis, and I had a starter who was good enough to fill a bench role). I'm not sure about now, but low potential players (star, all-star) can be built as pretty one dimensional players (3 skills C's anyone?) without worrying about affecting the NT. Iirc monoskilled players tend to eat up their potential faster, but it's also the fastest one to build and you'd have a solid player for your team pretty fast (I mean, you probably can get a multiskilled SF by the age of... 21 maybe? But you probably got a decent U21 ready C at 20.)

Not sure how the transition between the old coach and the new coach will be, but judging by the current roster and last season's roster, we might have to rebuild a player database. The only way we can do that is by scouring through the drafts of Div I and II. Iirc there's a period before U21 enthusiasm resets (can't remember when), so you can actually call them up then drop them after noting down their skills.

Also we might want to have some "NT farms". Legit ones, I mean, not by cheating. This might be kinda hard (considering our headcount), but back then I was able to get a couple of div II teams to consistently produce U21 players for me. Tho with 20 players I don't really think we have much chances in convincing anyone unless there is someone who is willing to take one for the team (coz this way everyone has a shot in SBBL and probably won't stay in div II for more than a season unless they're purposely tanking). I for one, would probably convert my own team into one (until I get rich enough to decide to get competitive one day), once I get proper prospects and a proper trainer.

That said, talk is easy. I personally admit that I don't really have time to invest into this at the moment (so again I'll discourage y'all from voting for me, I just joined in for fun, I don't even have a vote since my current team is not even 4 weeks old xD ). But I can work together with the next U21 manager if needed. My ideas might have worked with a 50 to 60 pax community, but I'm not so sure how it'll fit into our current community. So I guess it's up to both candidates for coming up with something better

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296648.18 in reply to 296648.15
Date: 10/29/2018 2:02:01 AM
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Glad to see you here. You are a real candidate at least :)

Bro, you're right about something, the elected one would coordinate training plans for players who will be in the U21 and/or senior NT, that is a two-manager job and that´s why a good communication will be a MUST. Even if XP is low, can be replaced by a strong team job with coach and community.

I received an offer from a manager who really wants to cooperate with me, but I told him that would be great for SG if he keeps free to join the elected one. I´m pretty sure he will be such a big help for any of us.
We are just a few and we need to stick together to make a step ahead for SG NTs.

Hahaha I guess you can't really consider me a real candidate since I'm not really serious in competing (and neither am I ready). But rest assure I can cooperate whoever who wins. Pretty undecided on who is the best player to lead us but since I can't vote I don't have to worry much about that and just be a kepoh xD

Last edited by BuzzRBeater at 10/29/2018 2:02:38 AM

From: Molin
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296648.19 in reply to 296648.11
Date: 10/29/2018 6:22:58 AM
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Hi to everyone, i’m from Italy and i’m not a multiuser ... ;-D

I candidate myself because, after many years, i need a new interesting challenge and it will be perfect. I can’t promise dreams, World Cup or something similar ... the only things that i promise to u21 team of Singapore will be the maximum presence every day and a complete collaboration with NT coach for planning future.

I’m not Pat Riley and i’m not from Singapore but i’ll work hard if you choose me as U21 coach.

Any questions are welcome ... sorry for my english :-D

From: Kwan

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296648.20 in reply to 296648.19
Date: 10/29/2018 7:02:41 AM
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I'm bored with false accusations. I do not have a multi-account. Everything has an explanation that nobody cares about, but I pay here with a Singapore paypal account. I pay so that people like Japanguro can play for free. Someone may think that if I was not interested my team would pay the supporter. The next time he accuses me of cheating I will denounce him. And I do not intend to say anything more. As you will see, this message is directed to BB-Charles.
By the way, the only supporter of the entire community.
Japanguro "Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta"

Last edited by Kwan at 10/29/2018 7:07:15 AM

From: HassanL

To: Kwan
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296648.21 in reply to 296648.20
Date: 10/29/2018 11:28:10 AM
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I saw your deleted message and I only have one word to pronounce.

MORON

From: Kwan

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296648.22 in reply to 296648.21
Date: 10/29/2018 11:59:23 AM
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I only have one word to pronounce.
LIAR

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296648.23 in reply to 296648.22
Date: 10/29/2018 12:43:32 PM
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Why are you spying on 18/19 YO players? Could be only for one reason and you shouldn't do it, if you want to know of any player over 21 you should ask for it, it is clear that they won't be in the NT roster soon..

Last edited by japanguro at 10/29/2018 9:07:25 PM

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296648.24 in reply to 296648.23
Date: 10/29/2018 10:58:49 PM
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I think it's not wise to question this honestly, especially with someone whom you'll be working with . Frankly speaking, I don't see the problem in such matters - in fact it could be an asset for the next U21 manager

Sorry for assuming, but judging from the ratings players gave the last U21 manager and the U21 manager not rerunning this term, and the lack of communication being the highest concern here, I am assuming that there might not be much (if any at all) passing over of duties to the next manager, hence you (or anyone succeeding him) will probably need to start off a blank slate. There almost might not have been much communication between the U21 manager and SHP (sorry for assuming, do correct me if I'm wrong), hence he'd have to do things alone, and there is no guarantee that the next manager would communicate well with him (so it's much safer for him to prepare first).

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That said, in Kwan's case, I would say let's not hurl out accusations for now and leave it to the GMs, since it has been reported. We should rather be focusing on the future of our U21 here.

Last edited by BuzzRBeater at 10/29/2018 10:59:07 PM

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296648.25 in reply to 296648.23
Date: 10/29/2018 11:51:32 PM
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Why are you spying on 18/19 YO players? Could be only for one reason and you shouldn't do it, if you want to know of any player over 21 you should ask for it, it is clear that they won't be in the NT roster soon..


What are you talking about? I did my job. Is not your problem. Ok.

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