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19 year olds have become decent draftees now that they can have higher starting skills. Only difficulty is the grading wasn't adjusted to reflect that change, so it usually takes more good luck to select a good one or more draft points, which isn't really worth it since they are so expensive as it is.

That 19 years old player still can become a top player

Not quite. That player has almost no chance of starting in the NT in any BB Nation that is not a micronation, so he won't be a 'top player'.
- First, they need to be HoF, but unfortunately it's more likely they will be MVP.
- Second, they need to have real top notch skills because the salary requirements for 19yo (A+, A etc) are more lenient, in the sense that a A+ 19yo may have much shittier skills and bigger holes than a 18yo because the rating is based on salary not skills (so a few 8s and a lot of 1s can still end with A+...this is harder with skills limited to 7)
- Third, even if you do get a great 19yo HoF, it will likely be not enough because any 18yo will have a Youth Trainer for a whole extra season, not to mention that extra training year is at the fastest possible speed

There is no way anyone in his right mind would take a 19yo 5/5 A+ over ANY 18yo 5/5. And if you want to make a decent to good starter for D1, then you don't need to waste money on the draft: just pick up decent MVP or better prospect on the TL after the draft. You will save a lot of money.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/11/2020 5:31:51 PM

I never considered 19yo to be equal to 18yo, even in the short period of time between when they increased max skills to 8 and when they introduced the Youth Trainer. That is because, even with max skills increased to 8, on average a 19yo still had worse comparable skills and allowed for less customisation. They are definitely much worse again now, although not completely useless as they were originally.

This also explains why 19yo are dirt cheap on the TL after they are drafted. If you plan on drafting 19yos, you should just buy them on the TL, it's much cheaper.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/11/2020 5:32:55 PM

Feast your eyes on how many lucky people we have here who can't find a single 5/5 prospect. I refrained from replying last week, but 19yo shouldn't even be mentioned in this conversation. They are inferior in multiple ways, nobody should care or waste money in scouting them. Incidentally, these are the favourite target of those users who routinely try to make some money at the beginning of the season (with the buying and reselling scam), as they are very cheap after the draft.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/12/2020 9:45:43 AM

So I don't think its a 99% chance.

In my opinion I would rather say 50% chance to have a 5/5 18yo among the 24 players.

Listen, when we used to scout the draft manually back in the day there were plenty of drafts with no HoF/ATG and plenty of drafts with no MVP with 3.5k+ salary. Even if they improved the starting skills somewhat there will still plenty of drafts with no real top prospect.

My last 2 pickups in the draft (when I scouted) were both 5/5. When I picked Marichal he was the ONLY 5/5 18yo and when I picked Banuelos he was one of 2 (there were 2 more 19yo 5/5, which I had to scout because I was picking third).

Totally agree with you, 19 years old prospects are absolute waste. Never understood why people happy with these. Only reasonable occasion in my eyes is when team is homegrown.

Overall game went to some ridiculous power creep since season 25 or so when I last played. 120 tsp players used to be absolute nt beasts, now they complementary players in div 2 lol. Same with drafts, they used to be so shitty, like average 1,5 player 5/4 per draft, every 3rd league had an mvp and hof you could see in your dreams, and nobody even dreamed about atg. Now people complain that it is quite hard to draft hof.... Like Popovic said during finals 'it is not supposed to be easy", I can say similarly about draft, it shouldn't be easy to draft potential nt player.

That 19 years old player still can become a top player.Special if he will be a pot 10 or 11 player with 60 or more starting skills with good distribution

A 60 tsp 19 year old is only as good as an 18 year old between a 45 and 50 tsp. Since my guy isn't A+ he'll be at least a season behind the top level 18 year olds.

My current trainee had 21 pops in his 18yo season and he had a lvl 4 youth trainer for a few weeks (lvl 6 after that) and might have had 1 week with a level 4 trainer (lvl 6 otherwise). Anyone can do the math from there.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/12/2020 5:41:40 PM

That's why I said at least. Even without the youth trainer, we're talking at least 15 tsp head start for an 18 year old.