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39569.15 in reply to 39569.14
Date: 07/21/2008 08:52:58
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(In general I thing the whole enthusiasm thing is a quite clumpsy feature, that should be removed and replaced by some smarter tactical tools)

Actually, it's pretty straightforward and not clumsy at all. You can accuse it of having multiple other problem, but I don't think clumsiness is one of them.

Also, plenty of people say "it has be replaced by something smarter", yet I haven't seen one viable suggestion. And no, "let's scrap enthusiasm altogether" is not a viable suggestion ;)


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Date: 07/21/2008 13:21:09
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Of course it is straightforward and easy to use, but I still I think it is a clumsy, almost pathetic attempt, of trying to add a "strategical/tactical" tool. Apparently we do not agree there.

I actually like the way that BB has solved it with game shape compared to HTs form, and I think they could do somethingin line with this in order to add some smarter enthusiasm system (enthusiasm is kind of "team spirit game shape") . Anyway, I think that's off topic...

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Date: 07/21/2008 15:13:13
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I think it is a clumsy, almost pathetic attempt, of trying to add a "strategical/tactical" tool. Apparently we do not agree there.


I think almost nobody agrees with you here. I'm looking forward to your well thought idea in the suggestion forum already.

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It's so nice with ironic GMs. ;)

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Date: 07/21/2008 16:02:48
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I actually like the way that BB has solved it with game shape compared to HTs form, and I think they could do somethingin line with this in order to add some smarter enthusiasm system (enthusiasm is kind of "team spirit game shape") . Anyway, I think that's off topic...

Having in mind that game shape is almost identical in structure and function to form, I am not quite what the superior part is.

Of course, players here don't whine, because BB is cosmetically different here. IF players receive enough minutes, they rarely if ever hit very low game shape levels. However, for all practical purposes, having a player in respectable game shape (and this happens even if their minutes are well-managed) is like having a HT player in weak form.

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Date: 07/21/2008 16:14:18
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Having in mind that game shape is almost identical in structure and function to form, I am not quite what the superior part is.
I actually think that there are essential differences, even tough they are not big (HT: Just give them minutes, BB give them the right amount of minutes), and it could still be improved. Anyway, as I said I dont think this is the thread to debate this, so I wont go further into this.

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Date: 07/21/2008 20:37:37
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However, for all practical purposes, having a player in respectable game shape (and this happens even if their minutes are well-managed) is like having a HT player in weak form.


This is an interesting point.

My immediate reaction is to agree but I wouldnt know how to prove it right.... how did you arrive at this conclusion...



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However, for all practical purposes, having a player in respectable game shape (and this happens even if their minutes are well-managed) is like having a HT player in weak form.


This is an interesting point.

My immediate reaction is to agree but I wouldnt know how to prove it right.... how did you arrive at this conclusion...


Iit's not like this is some empirical conclusion. As a matter of fact, my point is likely well exaggerated.

However, in my experience, there is a significant difference in performance between respectable and proficient GS, which can be quite bad if it happens to your star players, given how the GE here relies on individual player characteristics. So the luck factor is right there, even if it is to a smaller extent.

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Date: 07/21/2008 21:31:22
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sure - i agree...

as you say with all the random elements involved it is almost impossible to quantify but Proficient GS players win matches - full stop...

on the flip side I dont see much difference between a mediocre/respectable do you think the drop off in performance is less severe at the lower end of the scale?

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Date: 07/21/2008 21:37:59
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sure - i agree...

as you say with all the random elements involved it is almost impossible to quantify but Proficient GS players win matches - full stop...

on the flip side I dont see much difference between a mediocre/respectable do you think the drop off in performance is less severe at the lower end of the scale?

To tell you the truth, I am not sure. I so rarely play mediocre GS players in meaningful games and at meaningful positions that I have no view on this issue.

It doesn't make much sense though, since low levels or GS usually happen when you don't play the player enough (I am yet to see mediocre GS for a player who's getting 40-60 minutes week in and week out). Logically, the change should be linear, but of course this is just speculation.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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