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125704.150 in reply to 125704.149
Date: 1/4/2010 4:57:13 PM
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Excuses...Excuses...
I noticed one thing,when someone gives a good example of game,where flow is good,100 shots things also good etc. a gm comes and gives another argument....So it's like never ending discussion,if flow is good 100 shots FG is bad,if 100 shots FG is good flow is bad,if both are good there is another thing wrong etc.
Anyway winning teams are those who use either r'n'g or r'n'g
P.S.No offence.


I don't think he was trying to make any excuse. I do think he was trying to give you an explanation, so you should expect that if you give two different situations you will have two(or more) different explanations about the result.

Because, you can't say two games are similar just because the have a similar difference between ratings, right?

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125704.152 in reply to 125704.149
Date: 1/4/2010 6:33:24 PM
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Excuses...Excuses...
I noticed one thing,when someone gives a good example of game,where flow is good,100 shots things also good etc. a gm comes and gives another argument....So it's like never ending discussion,if flow is good 100 shots FG is bad,if 100 shots FG is good flow is bad,if both are good there is another thing wrong etc.
Anyway winning teams are those who use either r'n'g or r'n'g
P.S.No offence.


if that is the criteria you choose your example ;)

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125704.153 in reply to 125704.148
Date: 1/4/2010 9:07:56 PM
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Come one what? 11 offensive rebounds and 26 free throws more for the winning team. That's about 15 extra shot opportunities. I don't think any type of offensive flow would have helped.


You forgot the turnover difference. Actually, the number of shots for each team was just about equal (they took 93, we took 90).

The rebounds I get, the huge difference in fouls I don't. You will also notice that our shooting % were just about the same, which makes absolutely no sense (our d should trump their O no matter how you slice it and our flow was a full 1 level higher, facing an outside d that was 2 full levels lower).

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125704.154 in reply to 125704.153
Date: 1/4/2010 11:53:07 PM
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You will also notice that our shooting % were just about the same, which makes absolutely no sense (our d should trump their O no matter how you slice it and our flow was a full 1 level higher, facing an outside d that was 2 full levels lower).

3FG
Canada 10-29
Suomi 2-20

I see your OD trumping us pretty nicely there.

From: 7ton
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125704.156 in reply to 125704.155
Date: 1/5/2010 7:49:58 AM
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Now I have doubts about the value of offensive flow for outside tactics after this match. (18265697) It seems it doesn't really matter, at least in this match. Same no. shots that went in, same no. of assists, and same no. of turnover. And you guess which team has the higher FG%? That team with much poorer offensive flow. Why weren't we just told that offensive tactics are simply outside attack vs OD?

Last edited by 7ton at 1/5/2010 8:11:10 AM

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125704.159 in reply to 125704.156
Date: 1/5/2010 8:20:12 AM
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You made many fouls, adding 20 more freetrows to your opponent that won by 9. He also got home court advantage, and his attack vs defense ratio is better than yours.

Just a few games say nothing. I can give you many examples of a team with a better offensive flow winning the game. It's just what you want to believe. If you are satisfied with 5 games showing the offensive flow is useless to believe it's useless, no problem. If you aren't satisfied with 5 games showing the offensive flow isn't useless, no problem as well. It's just the one you want to believe.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/5/2010 8:20:29 AM

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125704.160 in reply to 125704.159
Date: 1/5/2010 8:29:54 AM
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You made many fouls, adding 20 more freetrows to your opponent that won by 9. He also got home court advantage, and his attack vs defense ratio is better than yours.

Just a few games say nothing. I can give you many examples of a team with a better offensive flow winning the game. It's just what you want to believe. If you are satisfied with 5 games showing the offensive flow is useless to believe it's useless, no problem. If you aren't satisfied with 5 games showing the offensive flow isn't useless, no problem as well. It's just the one you want to believe.

No you aren't answering my questions. I don't find it unacceptable to lose this match, although I have better inside attack and offensive flow, and my OD was slightly worse. All I want to know is if all it does matter is the attack vs defence rating because I couldn't see any evidence that offensive flow made a difference. I am fine with it if it's true.

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