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Is tanking a viable tactic in a high userbase country? Has anyone successfully tanked and come up stronger then before? I think this topic is getting really interesting, with some pretty good points. I don't think that taxing a team for having less than 12 players on the roster is the way to go. Listing just 5 players for a scrimmage should be ok (atleast in my opinion). Teams with less than 8 players on their roster (including injured players) should get automatic walkovers. I just can't imagine a team with less than 8 players on any level. I know atleast in estonia there is a rule that you must have atleast 5 starters, so you have to be able to list atleast 5 players for any game.
We can't actually drop the surveys all to 0.5 when a team decides to tank and get's 5 (8 lol)x 5k (or 1k) scrubs to fill his roster. Why? Because some countrys with low amount of users will start out in a league that might hand their asses to them every game anyway. I think tanking is not really an option in a country with a large userbase. If you happen to relegate, then getting up again might turn out to be a hard task. Spending 2+ seasons in a lower league will hurt you even more. Merchandise will drop anyway. I actully see no way to cut the tanking teams arena income. But I see some good ideas here, prolly we will get to that later on.
In the meantime I ressurected a suggestion (141756.8). Check it out and help to build that idea.

Last edited by Kukoc at 10/30/2010 7:36:26 AM

As often I agree with you. At the moment I need to sell stop. I need to sell but I can't do that cause I will earn 2 cents. If I will be sure that these 2 cents will remain 2 cents I could even start to sell someone but I'm really afraid that the prices will raise so basically in this case I will lose money and competitivity at the same time. It happened in the past...

In season 11 Joyo won the Italian championship with 6 players on roster: (20337401)
Imho he had a good luck but that's it

So Charles posts and this thread goes quiet (or continues to talk about tanking!!)

Who interprets his response as; (for transfer prices)

1) Inflationary
2) Potentially Inflationary
3) Cleverly written but will have little impact (therefore still deflationary in the short term)
4) Won't have an effect - we are still heading down!!

Lets just hope that such deflation will not be happening over and over again. You cannot expect from managers anything else than thinking about how much you can raise your ballance by tanking and so on... well just because its fun to watch how bubbles raise and cracks.

Im thinking about every 10k p/w in my budget if it is necessary, after kicking from the cup will probably sell some around 20k p/w players, because they just want too much, are giving me only 100k profit p/w, so I cannot buy anything stronger for some time to promote. I know my worries are on so low level, but while I dont want to sell my trainees very cheap, is hard to say what to do in advance instead of trying to increase p/w profit.

Last edited by aigidios at 10/30/2010 1:47:59 PM

Who interprets his response as; (for transfer prices)

1) Inflationary
2) Potentially Inflationary
3) Cleverly written but will have little impact (therefore still deflationary in the short term)
4) Won't have an effect - we are still heading down!!

Well if he's right, which I am sure he is, then it doesn't matter what he actually said. If people are making money hand over fist, they are not going to sit on it forever. So I guess it is only a matter of time before the market turns.

So here is what we learned so far. Prices are low right now but people are making money and they should increase sooner or later. On the other hand Charles indicated that the BBs have no intention of making any rapid changes that would affect the economy so this would be a slow process.

In my opinion the prices for mid-level players will not increase much this way. People making more money could increase the demand for top players instead. Right now the market is full of half-trained half-anygood players so the demand for those wont change much. Top players on the other hand people are abit more reluctant to sale because of the low prices and I can see the demand for those increasing parallel to the increase of cash reserves.

The bottom line is you have to search long and hard these days on the transfer list for players that are actually any good. I'll elaborate before I get torn to shreds on this.

No-one who has played this game for any length of time is going to buy a SF/PF with less than Mediocre Outside Defence.

Most managers won't touch a Guard without Mediocre Passing... etc, etc

We have all built up in our minds the type of players we wish to put out on court and although we are prepared to accept some inadequacies, the high percentage of transfer listed players have not been trained effectively enough to justify consideration to purchase... inflation or deflation.

Then you have the really great players (that also have the heftiest wages)... most top teams have the nucleus or core players they are happy with and bar an exceptional injury or push at a must win cup game its a big call to spend 3,4,5,6 or any amount of millions on a guy who at 26 is going to cost you $175k + a week and you know if you buy him you will either be owning him for 1-2 weeks or most likely 3-5 seasons.

The lower division teams don't have the luxury of choices that the higher division teams have and if I was them I wouldn't be rushing to buy other teams poorly trained cast offs if I can quietly go about improving my own roster from within.

This isn't me talking down the market - I'd gladly jump in and buy if the inflationary signals are there - I'm trying to spend money and I just don't see like previously many players even worthy of bidding on. People might wish to moan and blame deflation - I'm confident that we are just seeing more cast-offs and unwanted players hit the transfer list in a climate where there are more mature teams out there that just don't need them.

Well, I am willing to wait and see on this one and give Charles the benefit of the doubt... Mostly because I already bought players to try and actually have a good season. If he is wrong, no problem. I will be happy to join the tanking bandwagon again.

You know, though, one possibility is that all the tanking teams - like yourself - are actually temporarily holding the market down...

I don't really believe it is a lack of "good" players, either. It is true that they are rare (which is what makes them good), but I have seen some on the market. They still sell for what seems like low prices. And from my own experience, in trying to sell what I considered a pretty solid player, people expect that because of the market climate that you are going to sell for really cheap.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/31/2010 1:34:09 PM

How many tanking teams do you estimate there are and with what sort of bank balance/weekly saving power?

50 - 100 - 500 - 1000?

I will continue to insist there is a distinct lack of quality on the transfer list.

a) The average team is more mature now and closer to 'salary/income' cap which means taking someone new on likely means losing someone (which where prices are now managers don't want to risk)
b) Teams have adapted to the deflation and more are training with intention to keep (less need to use the TL)
c) Liverpool have just beaten Bolton - GET IN THERE!!