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187744.150 in reply to 187744.149
Date: 7/12/2011 7:24:45 AM
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I had a player that shot 45% FG, 50% 3P and 20% FT. Thats not realistic and those players should get fixed, worst FT- shooters in this game should at least make 40% of their attempts.


Difference being, in real life players train/practise/perfect all of their skills day in day out, 3 players wont spend a week working on their perimeter D, while the rest of the team stands and watches, then the week after do the same for jump shots? You argue for realism, then perhaps training itself needs to be completely changed.

Would it make it easier for you if there were just 2 training options? Forward fundamentals, and guard fundamentals.



and also the training process is complete unrealistic, you don't process so fast ;) So maybe erasing all the training would be much more realistic, then that what we have currently.

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187744.151 in reply to 187744.148
Date: 7/12/2011 7:30:48 AM
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So You should use FT training and Your problem will be solved ;-)
If You don't use FT training and You want to have better FT% it means You want to make this game unfair. It will be unfair for other managers who trained FT, spend their time to do it and therefore they have worse other skills.
In the same way I see corelation between blocks and rebounds. In real life very often player who is great shotblocker is good rebounder too. And what does it means? I could train only SB and then open new thread and wanted to all my players with great SB but weak RB have more rebounds in match ;-) It would be unfair for other managers who trained RB.

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187744.152 in reply to 187744.151
Date: 7/12/2011 7:55:07 AM
Kitakyushu
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n the same way I see corelation between blocks and rebounds. In real life very often player who is great shotblocker is good rebounder too. And what does it means? I could train only SB and then open new thread and wanted to all my players with great SB but weak RB have more rebounds in match ;-) It would be unfair for other managers who trained RB.

Not really....Training SB gives you sub levels in Rebounding and ID... but the player wouldn't be able to tip the ball in due to a lack of IS training...

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187744.153 in reply to 187744.152
Date: 7/12/2011 8:12:20 AM
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Yep, it gives sublevels but they aren't decisive. I can imagine player who have SB=20+ and RB= ~8 and he will be crashed under baskets in every 1st or 2nd division.
But in real life there are many unrealistic players (Manute Bol, Magic Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Shaquille O'Neal, and many more in weaker competitions) so in BB they should exist too ;-) If somebody want to have player without FT (because he don't want to train FT) he should get what he want ;-)

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187744.154 in reply to 187744.153
Date: 7/12/2011 9:42:48 AM
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I don't know whether the resurrection of this discussion depresses or elates me.

Depresses me because it shows people can't/won't read and don't know anything about statistics.

Elates me because it means those people who know something about statistics will have a nice competitive advantage (and thus enable the success of moneyball-type approaches).

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187744.155 in reply to 187744.146
Date: 7/12/2011 9:48:59 AM
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Yeah...In Buzzer Beater they are independent of each other...but in Real life...sorry...


Did you miss this earlier post?

So I got the data for 452 players from the 2010-2011 NBA season from ESPN.com. Plotting FT% versus either FG% or 3 point% gives an unimpressive cloud, no sense by eye that there is a relationship between the two. And their linear correlation coefficients bear that out: r-squared for FT% vs FG% is a paltry 0.038. This might reflect the effect of big men, who can have high FG%, but have FT difficulties in. For 3pt shooting percentage is was better, but r-squared was still a small 0.132.

Because there were a good number of players who took very few 3 point shots, where they might have been screwing with the resulting correlation, I removed those players who attempted fewer than 0.3 three pointers per game. That made the r^2 =0.108.


Either you're mathematically clueless or willfully ignorant of what's been written. As I said earlier, it'd be nice to see someone try to disprove this data. I'm guessing you'll instead respond with another emotional rant full of CAPS and hahahahas.


Last edited by Arthur Monay at 7/12/2011 9:49:19 AM

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187744.156 in reply to 187744.150
Date: 7/12/2011 11:09:52 AM
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Can I ask why that was directed at me?

I have no issue with the current system, in fact I don't think there is much that could be changed. I'm not arguing for realism. I was merely pointing out a simple fact that people can't seem to understand, to improve something on this game, you must train it.

As for the speed of it, these players age 4 times faster than normal human beings, shouldn't it be expected that they train faster as well?

I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I cant accept not trying. - MJ
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187744.157 in reply to 187744.156
Date: 7/12/2011 11:28:00 AM
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i just continued your point.

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187744.158 in reply to 187744.155
Date: 7/12/2011 11:34:24 AM
Kitakyushu
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Either you're mathematically clueless or willfully ignorant of what's been written.

Uh Oh...someone is bleeding, must be that time of the month for you...I could care less about that earlier post...taking a sample from the 2010-2011 season....everybody knows that the art of jump shooting is dead. That is why I took my sample from some of the best pure shooters to ever play the game. If you can't understand that, then you should go back to the trash can that you climbed out of...attacking me..What? And you called me willfully ignorant and your the idiot who used Chuck Person and Cliff Robinson as your examples of pure shooters....Maybe you need to go watch some film on Reggie Miller or Glen Rice and then maybe you could tell the difference.
I'm guessing you'll instead respond with another emotional rant full of CAPS and hahahahas.

Like that was going to stop me from responding to your stupid post.

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187744.159 in reply to 187744.157
Date: 7/12/2011 11:43:53 AM
Kitakyushu
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I'm cool with the current training how it is but some things need to change...A player going 0-500 from the FT line is just plain silly....Why not have all the players start at inept? inept = about 50% which isn't a bad starting point for all players. I do think they should give a little stamina with every training. Maybe 1 pop is stamina for every 10 full trainings the player gets which would only give 3-6 players a stamina sub-level every training session. People would still train stamina because everyone on the team would get it...just a thought

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187744.160 in reply to 187744.158
Date: 7/12/2011 11:49:38 AM
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Uh Oh...someone is bleeding, must be that time of the month for you...I could care less about that earlier post...taking a sample from the 2010-2011 season....everybody knows that the art of jump shooting is dead. That is why I took my sample from some of the best pure shooters to ever play the game. If you can't understand that, then you should go back to the trash can that you climbed out of...attacking me..What? And you called me willfully ignorant and your the idiot who....


At least I got the emotional part right.

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