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So Charles posts and this thread goes quiet (or continues to talk about tanking!!)

Who interprets his response as; (for transfer prices)

1) Inflationary
2) Potentially Inflationary
3) Cleverly written but will have little impact (therefore still deflationary in the short term)
4) Won't have an effect - we are still heading down!!

Lets just hope that such deflation will not be happening over and over again. You cannot expect from managers anything else than thinking about how much you can raise your ballance by tanking and so on... well just because its fun to watch how bubbles raise and cracks.

Im thinking about every 10k p/w in my budget if it is necessary, after kicking from the cup will probably sell some around 20k p/w players, because they just want too much, are giving me only 100k profit p/w, so I cannot buy anything stronger for some time to promote. I know my worries are on so low level, but while I dont want to sell my trainees very cheap, is hard to say what to do in advance instead of trying to increase p/w profit.

Last edited by aigidios at 10/30/2010 1:47:59 PM

Who interprets his response as; (for transfer prices)

1) Inflationary
2) Potentially Inflationary
3) Cleverly written but will have little impact (therefore still deflationary in the short term)
4) Won't have an effect - we are still heading down!!

Well if he's right, which I am sure he is, then it doesn't matter what he actually said. If people are making money hand over fist, they are not going to sit on it forever. So I guess it is only a matter of time before the market turns.

So here is what we learned so far. Prices are low right now but people are making money and they should increase sooner or later. On the other hand Charles indicated that the BBs have no intention of making any rapid changes that would affect the economy so this would be a slow process.

In my opinion the prices for mid-level players will not increase much this way. People making more money could increase the demand for top players instead. Right now the market is full of half-trained half-anygood players so the demand for those wont change much. Top players on the other hand people are abit more reluctant to sale because of the low prices and I can see the demand for those increasing parallel to the increase of cash reserves.

The bottom line is you have to search long and hard these days on the transfer list for players that are actually any good. I'll elaborate before I get torn to shreds on this.

No-one who has played this game for any length of time is going to buy a SF/PF with less than Mediocre Outside Defence.

Most managers won't touch a Guard without Mediocre Passing... etc, etc

We have all built up in our minds the type of players we wish to put out on court and although we are prepared to accept some inadequacies, the high percentage of transfer listed players have not been trained effectively enough to justify consideration to purchase... inflation or deflation.

Then you have the really great players (that also have the heftiest wages)... most top teams have the nucleus or core players they are happy with and bar an exceptional injury or push at a must win cup game its a big call to spend 3,4,5,6 or any amount of millions on a guy who at 26 is going to cost you $175k + a week and you know if you buy him you will either be owning him for 1-2 weeks or most likely 3-5 seasons.

The lower division teams don't have the luxury of choices that the higher division teams have and if I was them I wouldn't be rushing to buy other teams poorly trained cast offs if I can quietly go about improving my own roster from within.

This isn't me talking down the market - I'd gladly jump in and buy if the inflationary signals are there - I'm trying to spend money and I just don't see like previously many players even worthy of bidding on. People might wish to moan and blame deflation - I'm confident that we are just seeing more cast-offs and unwanted players hit the transfer list in a climate where there are more mature teams out there that just don't need them.

Well, I am willing to wait and see on this one and give Charles the benefit of the doubt... Mostly because I already bought players to try and actually have a good season. If he is wrong, no problem. I will be happy to join the tanking bandwagon again.

You know, though, one possibility is that all the tanking teams - like yourself - are actually temporarily holding the market down...

I don't really believe it is a lack of "good" players, either. It is true that they are rare (which is what makes them good), but I have seen some on the market. They still sell for what seems like low prices. And from my own experience, in trying to sell what I considered a pretty solid player, people expect that because of the market climate that you are going to sell for really cheap.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/31/2010 1:34:09 PM

How many tanking teams do you estimate there are and with what sort of bank balance/weekly saving power?

50 - 100 - 500 - 1000?

I will continue to insist there is a distinct lack of quality on the transfer list.

a) The average team is more mature now and closer to 'salary/income' cap which means taking someone new on likely means losing someone (which where prices are now managers don't want to risk)
b) Teams have adapted to the deflation and more are training with intention to keep (less need to use the TL)
c) Liverpool have just beaten Bolton - GET IN THERE!!

you get a like for point c

How many tanking teams do you estimate there are and with what sort of bank balance/weekly saving power?

50 - 100 - 500 - 1000?

I will continue to insist there is a distinct lack of quality on the transfer list.

Let's say there are only 10 teams tanking in division I at the moment, each sitting on 30 million each. That's still 300 million sitting out there not being used. Maybe that's a drop in the BB economy... Then again, what if it is 50? I can't even imagine what 1000 tankers would do to the economy.

Not to mention that this past off-season, a few of the tankers were selling off their assets at about the same time. Yes, I agree that many teams loaded up and don't need players at the moment. But once again, the tankers helped.

I am also not surprised that "rare" players are hard to find. But... this is not something new to the current market. In fact, in the past 6-7 seasons I have never seen a time when there has been such an abundance of fantastic players on the market. Although admittedly, I have not been looking the past 1-2 weeks.

If I go back to when free agents did not exist (during a time of huge inflation), I remember looking for a shooting guard for about 6-7 weeks before I gave up and settled on an inferior one. During the off-season, I had to stop myself from bidding quite a few times because there were just so many top-notch players available.

Anyhow, I don't really know. I am always out of touch when it comes to the market. But like I said, I will see what happens and adapt as the season goes along.

I think it is interesting that you are putting these arguments out there. It is certainly in your best interests to see the deflation continue, is it not? ;-)

(Edit to add smiley ;-) )

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/31/2010 10:25:21 PM