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From: Ref

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Date: 7/27/2010 3:41:04 PM
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I know those leagues are more competitive than other country's leagues but those have to realise that bb is not a one day game and its unlikely that you will promote every season all the way to the top no matter which country you are living in..
But honestly this thing about leagues being more competitive etc. has nothing to do with economy..

From: ned

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Date: 7/27/2010 4:36:20 PM
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But honestly this thing about leagues being more competitive etc. has nothing to do with economy..


Sorry, just an example: if I need to pay 100k/week for my roster to be promoted and you need to pay 500k/week to be promoted, really you don't see any economic aspect on that?

PS: same is when you've 5 bots on your conference = poor roster, better $ from the arena and so on

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From: Kukoc

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When will you eventually understand, that you are playing the game against your league teams and after that other Italian teams. It's not like you have to pay 500k/week to be promoted and someone else in your league can pay 100k/week to be promoted. Even if he could do that, obviously you would be paying too much. If only 16 can play in the top league of a country then there will be a bigger competition in a country with 5000 users, than in a country with 70 users. So could you please kindly concentrate on your own league and try to think of a way to better those 15 managers (as everyone of you are in exactly the same situation).

From: ned

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Date: 7/27/2010 4:48:10 PM
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How you cannot understand that the market is global? You're joking? I don't care about spain or italy but if you don't realize that major competition means expensive rosters I can't do anything, sorry

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From: Kukoc

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But even with global market you can still buy the same players as other teams in your league. So global or not it makes no difference. B3 teams could talk about global markets influencing their B3 opponents, but there are not many B3 teams per country anyway, you are not certainly one of them.
So if everyone in your league is operating on the same level of team salary -> that means all of you have the same amount of money to use on the transfer market. So you can buy players in the same range, so can you please explain to me how does any other countrys transactions affect your team? If you could buy better players for lower values, you could also sell those players for lower value -> thus you would be in the same position now with even higher salarys and lower income. So nothing actually changes. How old are you anyway? Have you taken basic mathematics? No logic in your writings.

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Date: 7/27/2010 9:22:52 PM
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But even with global market you can still buy the same players as other teams in your league. So global or not it makes no difference. B3 teams could talk about global markets influencing their B3 opponents, but there are not many B3 teams per country anyway, you are not certainly one of them.
So if everyone in your league is operating on the same level of team salary -> that means all of you have the same amount of money to use on the transfer market. So you can buy players in the same range, so can you please explain to me how does any other countrys transactions affect your team? If you could buy better players for lower values, you could also sell those players for lower value -> thus you would be in the same position now with even higher salarys and lower income. So nothing actually changes. How old are you anyway? Have you taken basic mathematics? No logic in your writings.


Come on Kukoc - you are livingi in your own (self proclaimed) local world.

Point 1 - just because the group of BB3 teams is small in relation to the userbase I would bet the BB's certainly don't want new users to join, discover and start believing its impossible to ever make it into the BB3.

Point 2 - The game is global but it has been chosen that it should be played out in a series of localized leagues. The arguments have always been that the leagues have caused disparity and despite your immediate opponents having the same benefits/disadvantages to you the fact is a Japan II. manager starting today has more chance of making the BB3 than someone signing up today in Italy. (irrespective of management ability) This is the problem.

When this was originally discussed the response if I recall directly was along the lines of 'well the BB3 isn't that important and does only effect a small % of the teams' - which to me sounded like a cop-out because thats basically admitting, yeah we know the dynamics of the countries are different and therefore your BB experience WILL differ a lot depending on which IP address you use to sign-up.

Speaking from personal experience (disclamier - not everyone will agree with me, but run with me!)

The private leagues that pit the wits of teams from different countries against one another seem to be a very popular feature. I'd be interested to learn how popular from the recent supporter questions during the World Cup comp. Again suggested many seasons back and it has come up in this thread again is to look at how the local leagues sit within the 'Global' game and perhaps refine this to Regional leagues that are identical to one another (in terms of depth/structure). This way no matter who signs up in the future, they'd have an identical path to succeed upon and equal chances to reach the summit and BB3 (if that was their chosen goal.)

In reality its probably very hard to do - a mega job. Would it be worth it? Do players mind or wish to play against teams from other countries on a regular basis? Is the trade off to make a more balanced league structure for everyone worth it?

Well if you just take 6-7 weeks of 3,000 managers leaving then we've just waved goodbye to 1/3 of our current users in less than 2 months.

Might be worth another consideration.

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 7/27/2010 9:27:31 PM

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Date: 7/28/2010 1:30:11 AM
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Personally I think a SE Asia/Oceania regional league would be awesome. I make it out to be about 2200 teams. Would be a lot more competitive than the 35 currently in Thailand.


Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
From: ned

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Date: 7/28/2010 2:25:37 AM
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I'll stop to speak with you, no time to waste, I was answering to the other guy that said that the differences among leagues (not in the same league dear LA) don't influence the economy. I've a daughter, probably she has the same yo as you and her logic for sure is better than yours

EDIT: lol sorry...

Last edited by ned at 7/28/2010 2:30:50 AM

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Date: 7/28/2010 2:27:19 AM
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I've a daughter, probably she has the same yo as you and his logic for sure is better than yours :)


sex change mid sentence impressive .

From: Shawnas

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Date: 7/28/2010 3:30:42 AM
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I think it is you, who has some problems with logic. What is the difference if all of you league affords salaries 800k, or 200k? I think 200k is better in that case, so it is more strategic options in building your team. BuzzerBeater is basketbal simulator and manager. If you want to be the best, you have to be good at everything. Or do you consider yourself a great tactitian only because you guess how will your opponent play, despite he being a better manager doesn't have to pay that much attention to you team?

Last edited by Shawnas at 7/28/2010 3:30:58 AM

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Date: 7/28/2010 4:04:13 AM
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Personally I think a SE Asia/Oceania regional league would be awesome. I make it out to be about 2200 teams. Would be a lot more competitive than the 35 currently in Thailand.




I would love this idea. Then the matches between teams from the same country could work as "rival matches", nothing more.
It would really make BB more fair and square, no big or small countries and benefits.

!zazhigai!
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