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You don't understand my point.

Problem ? What kind of problem ?

Problem of inbalance in game. I think 4M practically only thanks luck in comparition to price on TL means inbalance.
GM is needed only if rules are broken. Here rules aren't broken but it doesn't mean that everything in game is good.

If one gets lucky in the draft, good for him, why would you want to take it for him as long as the fee is ruled fair ?

I gave You example with arab sheik. If somebody wins 100M then rules will be not broken. But game will be worse, because then we will have 100% of lottery and 0% of strategy and tactics. I'm sure most of users consider BB as strategical and tactical game, not only pure luck.
If we have too many luck then we should play in toss coin game.

wishing bad luck to people shows that you are not concearned for the game but just jealous.

I hope you get a good draft, a $4-6M draft just to see what you do with your draftees.

By the way, why do you recon the draft is labeled as "the lotery". Try reflecting over that.

Well I've put a smile after all, you know I'm not jealous I simply think that this distribution of money is not fair.

A proposal I made some posts ago was to link the drafted players to the money invested and link it to the division. So for example in order to have a good prospect, in the first division you must invest, let's say 3 millions, in VI division 500 k (dunno the economy in VI division, just as example). You can still have a random here but investing 3 m you can be sure you will not have a 19 yo potential 1 1k salary. I really would like to have a decent draftee cause it brings a lot of money in the merchandising too, at the moment it's impossible for me even to think about it...

No, I think I have quite understood it and I have asked what was the imbalance created.

BB is in its 17th season. Are the best teams the luckiest with the draft ? Is Polish top league filled with draft lucky winners ? No.
Where is the imbalance ? Why all this drama ? There are dozens of aspects to running a team, more or less random.
Playing the other conference's strongest team at home or away alone can be the difference between HCA in the finals, a championship and a 'sorry, well played, try again next season'. Years of work ruined by ONE die roll. Awful ! That's unfair. Interconf games should be played on neutral venue to get rid of the luck factor ! I can make things look outrageously bad with exaggeration too.

As an experienced and successful manager, you know there are dozens of aspects you need to manage and adapt to or simply accept sometimes. Just like IRL.

That the draft offers the opportunity to hit on a super player is very important to the game in my eyes. The draft is very exciting for many players. Being involved with NTs, you know how exciting the draft is ;)
King, please don't advocate the ruining of the draft system because of a handful of players who will receive a large fee and well, I don't want to sound harsh but most probably won't know how to spend it efficiently. It's a completely made up issue. The best managers will be on top, it's not game breaking at all, it's a drop in the ocean of the dynamics of the game.

This 4M fee is extreme. Maybe it was corrected, this I don't know and I don't have all the information to form an opinion so I let it to the GMs to evaluate the case. Checks and recourses already exist. IMO, fresh draftees have always been vastly overestimated.

Your 100M figure is ludicrous, you should have picked 500M to be sure to make an impression :)
How is it comparable ? There are strategic elements in the draft. If I choose to invest heavily in scouting and find a gem, that's not only luck, I am more entitled to a reward than day traders.

What is a decent draftee for you ? What are your requirements ?

Why is it impossible for you to think about it ? Do you try ? Do you scout ?

Last draft, with the 4th pick, you had your 1st choice : (20959005)
Previous draft, 10th pick, you had your 1st choice : (19466009)
Previous draft, 16th pick, you had your 3rd choice, perennial allstar : (17952498)
You have retained him but don't train him.
Previous draft, 4th pick, you had your 1st choice : (16631289)
You have retained him but don't train him.
Previous draft, 12th pick, you had your 1st choice, perennial allstar : (14741540)
You barely trained him in the 4 seasons you had him.

What excuse will you come up with ?
If you don't scout, you can't expect to find a decent trainee. If you are looking for a rare potential or a very good 18 yo, buy him, you are a top league team. Top league teams are not expected to rely on very young players training anyway.

Your 100M figure is ludicrous, you should have picked 500M to be sure to make an impression :)

Why 4M isn't ludicrous and 100M is?
You must agree that exists value which is unbalanced. Question is how big is this value.
In past 4M for 18yo player wasn't inbalanced because prices on TL were higher. Currently 4M is inbalanced, because this money is enough to buy full squad which is able to fight to win 3rd division. I think typical team in 3rd division needs 6 seasons to earn 4 milions.
Examples You described aren't so huge because if You lose because of bad schedule You can try in next season. And bad or luck schedule doesn't mean that underdog will promote or the best team in league will relegate. Bad or good schedule can change that team, who should finish 5th will finish 3rd.
Meanwhile 4M in 3rd or 4th division changes team without chance to survive to big favourite to promotion. In my opinion in this case balance between luck and strategy/tactics is broken.
Luck in game is needed but impact of luck should be not so high.
Reason of this this inbalance is formula of salary which doesn't work properly. But it is other story.

Honestly I don't understand what do you want to proof... I'm here since season 2, I made so many mistakes you can't imagine One was to keep a PR lvl 10 for 1 season and half, another one was to waste 40k week for 2 seasons.
Believe me if I will find a decent young player I will train him cause after too many seasons my target is to grow one player drafted, I could do it with a player lvl 1 in OD but it will be a waste of time and energy. I never seen a trainable player, that's the truth. I'm willing to pay a lot for having one 18yo "mediocre" but I'd like to have some chances to get him.
If you check I've bought Caputi, 18yo, paying him 4 millions; well what the previous owner of Caputi did to get cash 4 millions? Nothing. And if you're in Vth division and you'll receive 4 millions you can easily kills the opponents and be promoted, do you think this is good? The same is for a team of first division, I don't see any reason to make similar gift to one team.

Are you sure about your next draft? This draft is awful, there is no one reason to keep it, last season no one team in my leauge had a good draftee. Which aspect of this draft do you like? Something is good to check the other hand, I've explained that we are talking about a lot of money in a game where you've to think if saving 2k/salary for a specialist.

Then we are back to how I conclude my first post.

If you think 4M is enough to buy a full squad to win D.III then the fee is too high for a 18yo and IMO should be corrected by the GMs. Maybe it was and we are not told about it. It's not a problem with the draft or luck with the draft but it's a transfer fee out of scale.

My example was bad on purpose, you don't have to take it down :)

I don't want you to prove anything but you are overreacting out of frustration.
You can't complain you don't find any suitable trainee in the draft if you don't scout !

Look last season.
Cucco 76ers had the first pick, he got him : (20959021)
Nobody could steal him from him, he had the first pick.

But... look at the player he got on round 2 : (20958997)
Even his 3rd round is better than your first choice : (20959015)

He has scouted, he was not luckier than everyone else in your league to pick such a player in the 2nd round. He may have invested hundreds of thousands in scouting.

I don't understand why you want to drive this problem only to me... We are on the same boat, if you've enough experience you should know how the draft works, if not I tried to explain but probably I wasn't clear.
I would like to improve this game and once again I still don't find any element that supports this kind of draft. Have you seen all the posts? I don't want to convince any of you, some people here would like to change the actual system for a lot of reasons, then for other people the draft seems ok in this way. In the first case there were some explainations supporting our ideas on the other side I see only people talking about nothing, it means that no one has still express in clear words why this draft is the best draft we can have here in BB.
I respect all the opinions but if there is an opinion to respect, the only sentence pro-draft was that random is everywhere, I accept it and I'm asking to reduce it not to cancel it.

If you want to discuss let's do that I think my position is very simple and clear and I'd like to listen some words coming from BBs but for an unknow reason they don't talk here anymore and the "outside" BBs are not in position to speak about it.

BB Forrest, we miss you

I am sorry, I don't want to look like I am going after you but I did raise an eyebrow on you saying it's impossible for you to find a decent draftee and that nobody had a good draftee last season. This is not true.

You don't want to play the draft game anymore. All right. You don't have to, there are other ways to play.

A few topics were discussed in the thread but the main point is basically that the money received for good draftees is unfair because the owner doesn't deserve it...
I have seen two examples in the thread, both draftees were first choices but not first picks. So at least, the owner did a better job than the higher picks before him. Give him credit for that. Maybe he spent more, had more info and combined to a bit of luck was able to spot the player and draft him. That's not complete random luck.
The draft is a bit of a gamble but it's strategic too even more so since we can save scouting points. I think it's a nice change. The money you invest in scouting can't be invested in something else, it's a true strategic decision. Chosing wisely which season to scout hard, evaluating your opponents likeliness to scout, who has money spare to spend on scouting, focusing on one particular type of player to reduce the cost of scouting, taking note that the 3 teams who will pick before you train guards for example, there is a multitude of strategies to follow so reducing the draft to pure luck is quite harsh.

The OP was about the millions received for good draftees. Some bids are maybe excessive, to deal with it I think the simplest solution is to examine each case and adjust the fee if necessary. There is no need to shake up the whole system.

Whiners gona whine. last season, an okay team in my league in season 15 got a okay HoF guy, sold for 3.5 mil and hes not even worth that. he won the division and is doing great at div 2. Good for him, both sides are getting too extreme. Just like life, nuthing can be completely fair. By getting millions for a draftee might help the guy to get up a divison but no way can it bring the team to international level. The man still needs some real skills to excel in this game.