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Well, I am willing to wait and see on this one and give Charles the benefit of the doubt... Mostly because I already bought players to try and actually have a good season. If he is wrong, no problem. I will be happy to join the tanking bandwagon again.

You know, though, one possibility is that all the tanking teams - like yourself - are actually temporarily holding the market down...

I don't really believe it is a lack of "good" players, either. It is true that they are rare (which is what makes them good), but I have seen some on the market. They still sell for what seems like low prices. And from my own experience, in trying to sell what I considered a pretty solid player, people expect that because of the market climate that you are going to sell for really cheap.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/31/2010 1:34:09 PM

How many tanking teams do you estimate there are and with what sort of bank balance/weekly saving power?

50 - 100 - 500 - 1000?

I will continue to insist there is a distinct lack of quality on the transfer list.

a) The average team is more mature now and closer to 'salary/income' cap which means taking someone new on likely means losing someone (which where prices are now managers don't want to risk)
b) Teams have adapted to the deflation and more are training with intention to keep (less need to use the TL)
c) Liverpool have just beaten Bolton - GET IN THERE!!

you get a like for point c

How many tanking teams do you estimate there are and with what sort of bank balance/weekly saving power?

50 - 100 - 500 - 1000?

I will continue to insist there is a distinct lack of quality on the transfer list.

Let's say there are only 10 teams tanking in division I at the moment, each sitting on 30 million each. That's still 300 million sitting out there not being used. Maybe that's a drop in the BB economy... Then again, what if it is 50? I can't even imagine what 1000 tankers would do to the economy.

Not to mention that this past off-season, a few of the tankers were selling off their assets at about the same time. Yes, I agree that many teams loaded up and don't need players at the moment. But once again, the tankers helped.

I am also not surprised that "rare" players are hard to find. But... this is not something new to the current market. In fact, in the past 6-7 seasons I have never seen a time when there has been such an abundance of fantastic players on the market. Although admittedly, I have not been looking the past 1-2 weeks.

If I go back to when free agents did not exist (during a time of huge inflation), I remember looking for a shooting guard for about 6-7 weeks before I gave up and settled on an inferior one. During the off-season, I had to stop myself from bidding quite a few times because there were just so many top-notch players available.

Anyhow, I don't really know. I am always out of touch when it comes to the market. But like I said, I will see what happens and adapt as the season goes along.

I think it is interesting that you are putting these arguments out there. It is certainly in your best interests to see the deflation continue, is it not? ;-)

(Edit to add smiley ;-) )

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 10/31/2010 10:25:21 PM

I am also not surprised that "rare" players are hard to find. But... this is not something new to the current market. In fact, in the past 6-7 seasons I have never seen a time when there has been such an abundance of fantastic players on the market. Although admittedly, I have not been looking the past 1-2 weeks.

Ok - fantastic players are out there sure. BUT wage efficient players are not. In the argument of training vs buying off of the TL you can't consider buying big men off the TL any more. A half decent big man will have a wage of $70k+ so over a season he'll set you back $1mil in wages. You won't be able to increase his value by $1mil unless you can train him 14 weeks in Passing.

I think it is interesting that you are putting these arguments out there. It is certainly in your best interests to see the deflation continue, is it not? ;-)
Edit to add smiley ;-) )

You know I love the TL full stop. I'll have fun as long as there is a direction (up or down). Right now I still see pockets of value in certain skillsets and because of my strategy I feel I can eek out profits because I have no limitations on training. (who and where to play in my matches).

Rest assured I won't sit back and watch if I read or feel that prices are reversing and we start to enter a new inflationary cycle but I believe right now there is no harm discussing this openly as we are not at the end of the deflation unless there is intervention of some kind.

As the season progresses we'll get more people booted from the cup and resigned to playing 2 competitive games as opposed to 3 and we'll also get our customary buying blip (although less prevalent in recent seasons) around the transfer playoff deadline. During the play-offs historically prices plummet then for no valid reason whatsoever people suddenly start paying 1.5-4mil for 18yo trainees.

Sometimes there really is no financial rationale behind player purchases. Right now I'm happy to sit on a couple of key trainees that have sufficiently low wage that I am confident I'm improving their value to combat this during the season. The rest are $6-10k interesting trainees that with a skill up here and there cost me $100-150k to keep each season and again I'm confident I can tack that on in their value even in deflationary times like we are in now.

Edit: Is it too early to check this weeks Free Agents :D


Last edited by Superfly Guy at 10/31/2010 11:14:25 PM

47 "active" managers in a country. Suitable country for tanking. Seems to be a good strategy if you want to go after B3. Can you do the same in 3000+ manager country (which this game prolly is designed for)?

Honestly speaking,
Would you rather be in a situation where it was in your best interest to keep competing?
Economics has got to be a big factor in what you are doing right now, don't you think its a bit cheese?

The fact is you can accumulate more money sliding down from Division 1 in Germany/USA (bigger nation country) than you can where we are in Japan.

BUT

We also should be able to climb back up our divisional structure by spending less than teams in Germany/USA etc.

Economics plays a role in everyones decisions (major or minor) - for me the decision as I discussed with many of you was about gameplay. You may wish to argue differently and we will never know for sure (although its not too late still for me to prove it) but I would not have lost the JBBL for perhaps another 10 seasons if I opted to remain competitive. Could I have continued to win the domestic cup or a 2nd BB3? (possibly not) but the JBBL was mine to lose and I have opted for the next 2 seasons to pass it by.

In every country you have a maverick or maverick teams that others look at and say - he's not playing the conventional way or he trains funny or he's got a 30,000 arena, he doesn't set line ups, he's a farm team etc. etc. There are teams I'm convinced with more money than me also looking to time their runs up their respective domestic ladders and each season a conventional team will complain that they are outdone by someone who bucked the trend or didn't play with the spirit of the game...

We all know the parameters of the game - we all have ample options to work within these to enjoy and manage our franchises the way we wish to. If you want to reduce the variables, be my guest!