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Thanks for the heads up but the starting question was not "how can a new player survive and/or improve its own team?". The question was "even by following these rules-of-the-thumb can a new player make it to the top two series in a reasonably large country?".

Ned says it's becoming more and more difficult, almost impossible.

I just relegated to IV serie after one year in a good III serie (in a very difficult side). I don't have a complaint about the economy in general, I do not have solid statistics about it (although I have a feeling that prices are stable now, stable but very high).

I surely can give an advice: do not try to achieve a promotion unless you are very confident to be able to stay in the higher serie. Relegation is a nightmare: half of your fans disappear (and probably it will take more than a couple of years to get them back), you don't have the chance to change ticket prices before starting the new season (unless it's the end of one month), merchandising drops even after two weeks of wins (even against your rival), and of course TV rights are reduced. Relegation is overly punished by the economics.

As you probably know, the BBs added a meganism to the game, that should regulate the amount of money involved in BB. As we can only guess if this amount increases or decreases, the BBs have the exact numbers. Via the new salary adjusments the amount of money in the game will stay the same, or will show a small decrease in the long run if needed. So I think raising the subject again isn't really needed, since the meganism is there already and this will fix the whole problem, if there really is a problem.

You, me and many other 'more senior' managers joined the game in a time where prices were lower, players were far worse and daytrading was an extremely effective strategy to get to the top as fast as possible and training wasn't. I trained my big men for like 4 seasons, but then when I wanted to sell some, the price of capped allstar centers suddenly dropped to ~3m when potential was introduced. Training was useless.

Now the price of such a center is back to 4m, while it was over 8-10m at that time (check the history's of players like this one (/player/2308283/history.aspx)). Would be awful if you wanted to sell your capped allstar center after 4 seasons of full training around may 2009, only getting 1,9m for such a great player.

While it is true that the starting teams probably can't improve their teams very fast via daytrading/the transferlist anymore right now, it is still possible (but a lot harder). They can, however, get a lot of value from training their players. Since all new teams stars with a few youngstars the need of being at the transferlist isn't huge. With lower prices it certainly is, and I think it's imbalanced again.

Also you talk about 'normal' players being sold for 5m now, but that's normal for you, for me, but not for starting teams. You can buy normal players for 100-200k for those teams.

The problem of inflation at the transferlist isn't a huge deal as well, and it only affects very few managers. Most of the managers sell and buy their players at about the same time. You sell you talents, buy new onces, you sell your top players and buy new top players. All in the same market conditions since the time between buying and selling isn't large. It might be a problem for managers saving money at the bank, when they sold their players in the 2m period instead of the 8m period, but that's a risk you take by saving.

Patje everything written is correct but I remember very well a post of Forrest or Charles last season when he written that "the inflaction is a problem, we believe that the prices will go down and we will introduce once again the FAs to try to get out money" more or less this was the sense of the post.
Ok, after 1 season the prices didn't go down (except for 1 or 2 weeks after PO) I can say that the prices are higher compare the prices of last season and if you check your economy you can easily imagine that the price will not drop soon cause we are still earning money (in some cases a lot of money) every week. My question is: what it was written last season is not valid anymore and we will continue in this way or from the BBs point of view there is something wrong on that mechanism and they will take some actions in a near future? I'd like to have an answer only to this question ;)

That we are making money, doesn't mean the total amount of money in the game is increasing.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 12/30/2009 8:34:54 AM

That we are making money, doesn't mean the total amount of money in the game is increasing.

The question would be... ¿Are we making more money than before? And asuming that the total amount of money in the game has not increase(or decrease) ¿How is losing/wining the difference?

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 12/30/2009 12:29:49 PM

Sorry Patje you look like berlusconi, if you can't increase the arena, if you have already the specialists, can you tell me how the total amount in the game can decrease? O_O"

You can buy many or one high priced player and fire him :)

Sorry Patje you look like berlusconi, if you can't increase the arena, if you have already the specialists, can you tell me how the total amount in the game can decrease? O_O"

Hahaha, nobody trew a little statue in my face yet, so currently I hope I don't look like him. There are quite a few other way where money flews away from the game, apart from staff and arena costs.

All money spent at free agents is gone.
All money spent at taxes for sales is gone.
All money of teams that went inactive is gone.
Transfer adjustments/fines decreases money.
Firing players indirectly removes money from the game as well.
Teamname changes --> Gone
Arena name changes --> Gone.

I probably missed quite a few other ways where money flows out of the game as well. Also what Demian says is true as well.

The point is, that there's no way you can state the total amount of money is increasing or decreasing, since we lack that info. We maybe know 1% of the numbers of the whole BB Economy.

Also once again, the system will regulate itself from this season, so even if the BBs agree with you that the amount of money per team should be lower, this will automaticly happen.

Sorry Patje you look like berlusconi, if you can't increase the arena, if you have already the specialists, can you tell me how the total amount in the game can decrease? O_O"

If you already have the best team you can afford, then you're not making any money weekly.

Players age, so you will eventually have to spend money on replacements.

Unless people stop training players, so salaries can't catch up with income, curbing profits to close to zero is a natural outcome of the situation.

Anyway managers from 1st league have to have life even harder I think. If there was another staff member, which boost your performance, you have to get him, while whole league have one...

Imagine someone who can benefit potential of sensational+ players by 10 percent and prominent- players by 1 percent...

In Czech Republic there are some very strong teams, in other countries not, so as in the past there are some teams that every season win cup and championship tournament. In second division I earn weekly less than in first division, the income of the arena is half, merchandising is 1/4 and the contract TV is about 50k lower. If you want to be promoted in first division you've to build a team competitive for the first division, with this economy 1m of bonus is nothing, it means that in second division you've to pay more or less the same salary but your profit is half of a team of first division (if you're lucky).
This is in general, speaking about specialists I think that they are absolutely useless, they are here to bring out money from the global system and I can tell you this because I had best lvl of PR and coach, of course if you think they worth you've to buy them but you would like to have them if you're in first league as in Vth division, many teams of lower division in Italy have top specialists