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Yes I agree. I think 2 seasons, maybe 3 is suitable as an interval. What do you think?

The ranking system is fine as it is. You are the situation I was in last season where each week you beat up on Bot teams and noobs who have no clue. Last season was my first season and my team was out of the cup before I started so the only games that counted were the league games which as I said were vs noobs and bots so I didn't gain much despite a 26 game in a row win streak. This season in my first season of DIV III I lasted 4 rounds in the cup and am currently in 3rd place in my division and my rating has vastly improved.

Next season when you are in DIV III (and trust me the competition is MUCH MUCH harder) if you keep on winning your rating will go through the roof too. You just need patience. Swaping ratings over one game is just silly and not the way any rankings in the real world work.

As for why I think the ratings are currently excellent, take me as an example.
There are 16 ABBL teams all better than me. Total 16
There are 16 x 4 DIV II teams, all better than me. 64 + 16 =80.
There are 16 DIV III leagues and I estimate there are about 3 teams per league that are better than me. 48 + 80 = 128.

So if I had to rate myself I would guess roughly 128 in Australia. What does the computer say? 135! Seems amazingly good and accurate to me!

It's not exactly that I think there is a problem with the rankings. It's more that no one really knows EXACTLY how the rankings work. So I reckon if they did something like show how many points you were on as well as your ranking, then you could see how many more points you needed to go up a place. I think this ould make things more competitive.

Also there is too much emphasis on the cup. A team in my league drew 3 or 4 bots in a row, so his ratings went up massively.

Also there is too much emphasis on the cup. A team in my league drew 3 or 4 bots in a row, so his ratings went up massively.

thats a weakness of the system, but i like the importance of the cup, because it is the best comparision betwen leagues. A strong league, could be a bottle neck for several good teams who didn't promote but who are quality wise on a level that they could play in the league above -> maybe they show it through cup games that they deserve this level + teams who regualary play them also should be profitate for their listing so that you a cross league comparision so that maybe the leader of the IV.2 is considerred weaker then the third of the "strong" IV.4

Though one thing I noticed is that your ranking only goes up when you beat a team better than you. The reason there is emphasis on the cup is because there is more of an opportunity for weaker teams to play the strong teams. Once you get to division 3 and are consistently beating teams ranked higher than you, you will see your ranking go up very rapidly. Conversely, if you are stuck in div 4 and constantly playing and beating teams lower than you, your ranking will not rise.

the most valuable and fair way , is something like point system....
the last season games , or the last 30 games...
one formula like that :

division game= point diference * 1
cup game = point diference * 2
bb3 game = point difference * 10

also , the division could be a part of this formula , by the way of one additional
like : division game= point diference * 1* division point
division point could be in this way : how many categories the country has , etc 6
I->6
II->5
III->4
IV->3
V->2
VI->1

and all this stuff could uploaded , at bbstats , to be more close to users to see....

Won't a BB answer to this topic ?

I am sure that it might be improved and that the discussion might very interesting if we had an answer from you.

Cup seems to be quite important for national rankings.
Can we have confirmations ?

Cup is far too important in my opinion. A lucky cup draw means your country ranking sky rockets.

Asking for a BB to comment won't make them comment. The BB's will generally stay out of a discussion because when they do comment they greatly change the flow. They do read everything and if they think a comment will be beneficial they will step in. Please keep your input productive and on track with the discussion.

I never imagined that trying to discuss respectfully about one point of the game would not be considered as productive, and whether after searching and reading topics about rankings, trying to obtain more details about a suggestion thread where I agree with previous posts would not be seen as on track with the conversation
There is no irony here. I've always tried to be positive in my posts, and I'm a bit sad with your reply.

Well, some suggestions, that might be not productive as we have no clue on the way it works now :

1) Cup seems too important in the calculation.
How about considering that importance of last championship would be more important, that cup one would be less important in a proportional relationship (90/10) ?

Last season, to give an example, the 64th en France fell to 104th place because he lost against a weaker team.

2) this leads us to another point :
Why not adding the gap of ranking between the loser and the winner in the calculation as a coefficient ?
It would make the system more rational.

This would lead to a system like the one Antil11 talked about juste before in this thread.

This might be scaled also by the fact whether we lose/win in the first turn or later during the cup.

Last edited by Dunker Joe at 7/7/2010 4:32:12 PM