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From: czobo001

To: Coco
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Date: 3/24/2010 1:27:43 PM
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How do we break into the top 4? Richard Ugona. (Check my roster)

Seriously though IMO we need what X-steppers was talking about. Finding the players that meet our criteria is easy enough, thanks to wozzvt's database. So what we need is a detailed plan to give to the managers, and we need to follow up on it. Something like:

Week 1 Train X Skill
Week 2 Train Y Skill
Week 3 ....

All the way to week 14 or whatever.
Then we need to check on these players on an almost constant basis in order to make sure they are following the plan. Give them lineup advice form one league game to the next on how they can achieve single position training and still be competitive. In the process of training Ugona for 3 seasons, I recieved a couple of messages from Juice...and thats it. This is no offense to Coco, wozz or any of the people who help the NT. You guys do a terrific job and are underappreciated. Thing is we need more staff, we need to find people who are willing to strictly monitor a few players of interest and communicate with the managers.

If the manager has other ideas than we have to be persuasive as to why this training benefits them. We have to mentor that manager, and help them succeed with their team, so they don't feel like we only care about the player. If that manager decides that they do not wish to follow the plan, then we need to try to persuade them that it is in their best interest to sell the player (and usually it is). If all of this fails, then we know we tried everything.

From: FatCurry

To: Coco
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Date: 3/24/2010 1:30:28 PM
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Jelme is the only candidate (and he is a very good one, in my view)


I whole heartedly agree, I speak to Jelme on a daily basis and will be giving him my full support and help if/when he does get elected.

I think your point that every country has latched on to the point that you need to single position train to build a successful team is entirely correct. And the only way we can beat these other teams is to get as many of our top prospects to teams that are willing to train them perfectly. On the offsite Wozzvt has been kind enough to make a list of the top prospects and I have made sure to contact each and everyone of those managers. What we need to do from here is either buy the players from the managers willing to sell. Or put these managers in touch with mentors who have successfully trained U21/NT players and let their wisdom guide them.

I will be in continuous contact with these managers and for those experienced managers out there who are willing to Buy or Mentor a manager please contact me, the more help we can get the more successful we can be.

From: Rambo

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Date: 3/24/2010 1:36:13 PM
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Well, last season Coco gave me 3 players to look after. One went bot, one never responded and one had lukewarm if not spotty responses.

Maybe people like to figure it out for themselves as that is more fun than being told what to do, but I'm not sure why they wouldn't at least want a little friendly discussion about a player.

Moving forward I'll be there with FatCurry to discuss with managers training on a weekly basis or getting them to sell the players.

From: czobo001

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Date: 3/24/2010 1:44:34 PM
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I appreciate your effort Rambo. I agree that there is little we can do about inactivity from managers, especially Div V ones, and I imagine that is where many of our best prospects land. If a manager wants to do things on their own, I respect that, but we have to keep trying.

My point is, IMO we need to help the managers with their team, not just training that player. If they are open to discussion, we need to give them advice on how they can set their lineup from game to game in order to maximize training and remain competitive. We need to act as mentors for the teams, even if that means caring about players who will never sniff the NT.

From: Rambo

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Date: 3/24/2010 1:54:23 PM
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There used to be a mentoring thread. Xarn brought it up yesterday. Not sure what happened to it but I always had success with the people I talked to because they sought us out not vice versa. They also fit your point about not having players that can contribute but caring enough to help anyways.

hokies333 has 2 NT caliber players, sought out help and has been open to suggestions and actively asking questions.

Maybe it's as simple as opening up a sticky mentor thread and putting a list of "staff" members there who are willing to help.

From: Dawson

To: Coco
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136134.24 in reply to 136134.23
Date: 3/24/2010 2:38:30 PM
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The obvious answer is very hard to do. Get the prospects to people who care. I've been trying to get a decent American prospect for 4 seasons and I just haven't had the spare cash to buy one and keep my team competitive. The best thing to do is just to talk to as many owners as possible and encourage them. Make the NT environment fun and exciting and a community. It's all we can do. Hopefully we can get more activities like the NT Prediction challenge to drum up interest.

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136134.25 in reply to 136134.24
Date: 3/24/2010 10:45:18 PM
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That is the GREAT part about being a League V coach (and new .. .). Whoever the U21 and NT coaches are, I will single train my guy solely for the National teams . . .. that will do nothing but help my team. The better Harry Jeffries is . . . the better G-Men will be (in my opinion).

(by the way . .. what happens if I get relegated out of a V league?)

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136134.26 in reply to 136134.25
Date: 3/24/2010 10:50:28 PM
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Good News G5! There is nowhere to go but up!

You can't get relegated out of V. And if your active, and listen to all the fine advice our plethora of intelligent managers has for an up and coming coach such as yourself, I assure you that you will not be in D.V for much longer (having reached the finals with only a half season in the game means you wouldn't have to worry about relegation out of V even if it was possible, which again, it isn't.)

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