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Examples from real life are not valid. That way we have to say all the effort and enthusiasm system in the game is nonsense. How many times in real life coach told players before the match: take it easy? And how many times the team is not able to play well next match after "crunch time"? How many times Srbija wouldn't play Crunch time in game you described just because of bad influence to their performance in next game in playoffs?

Deals are just one part of many factors leading to success. And especially for smaller or medium size nation it's in my eyes impossible to make a success without deal on NT or U21 competitions within current rules.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/16/2011 10:03:56 AM

We fought and won, and Estonia qualified. Do you think Serbians looked at us and said "Hey, you crunched on us with nothing to win!"? No, they didn't. They knew they should play harder and that's it.

but i don't think that there is an real live equivalentt, to the effort management here who make it difficult for serbia not to go with the same effort.

But overall i like the challenge of manage enthusiam a lot, and those deals are maybe the negative side effect of it which you had to live with. Don't think that it would be a good solution to make those proposals spam.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/16/2011 10:35:34 AM

In Continental championship all teams are in group facing the same opponents. Just the order of matches is different. So once you can be luckier, next time someone else can be luckier.
But it's not just about the agreements, is it fair, that some small country beats on CT some big countries in first/second match and all the others fighting for the top has easy match as the team has already broken his enthusiasm?
So there are many unfair influence. The world and life aren't simply fair enough in any way.

To your example: Will you ask your opponent for a deal if you know I can play my match on deal? Or won't you do nothing just not to do it unfair for me?

i don't think that is that easy, so that everyone who will make a deal vs team A will do the same with team B. A deal should make sense for both sides, and every game is a new situation.

Never did mTIE, never will.

I think its a dishonorable way to play, but, nobody says that you have to play honorably, so everybody can do whatever they want and nobody should say anything about it.

You are right, for example asking some team which is already eliminated and plays last match for deal makes no sense. Whilst other team could play with him on deal earlier.

You are right, for example asking some team which is already eliminated and plays last match for deal makes no sense. Whilst other team could play with him on deal earlier.

other constellation, there a 3 teams who fight for it.

The first meeting of two of them maybe get a deal, but the looser won't make a deal anymore against the third one. The same could be said, about a constellation where 2 of them are little superior and one go for the second oppurtunity, cause he see ittle chanches to win the first while tanking enthusiam through a deal.

So it is not fair, even when you play the same managers. But it would be more boring without the oppurtunitys enthusiams gives you.

I have no problem for a manager to send me BB mail asking for a mTIE, though it makes me laugh when he sends me a BB mail complaining I wasn't fair to play N instead :P

In Football World Cups people are so angry at the Danmark - Sweden matches. I actually enjoy those theatrical games and invite my friends to watch the match, have beer and laughing all the time at the events happening. Especially after some team scores a goal and there are only 5 minutes left to play :D

Here's how is see TIE agreements, and I see I'm not the only one.
Team names are not important here. But I'm in charge of team X, a decent team. My next game is against team Y, a better team all around that probably underestimates me. Now, I've managed to build up some enthusiasm, and I think I might have a shot to beat team Y if I play normal, and he does the expected thing, and TIE. No reason why he shouldn't, I'm a weaker team, he doesn't know that I have some enthusiasm saved up for this game, and probably suspects I'm about to TIE myself, since chances of winning are slim. But, to make sure, Y sends me a bb-mail and proposes a TIE agreement. Now, I'm screwed.
I have 4 options:
1. Agree to the TIE proposition, and lose;
2. Say no, at which point, Y will not play TIE against me, since he knows I'm up to something. Again, I lose;
3. Not respond to the bb-mail, and now you can take a look above, at nr. 2, because again, my opponent knows I'm up to something. The outcome is...I lose;
4. Agree to TIE, play normal, beat team Y, and then be called a weasel(and I don't see why I shouldn't, since I've deceived a fellow player).
What's the upside for me here? What option do I choose? Either way, I end up a loser. Even if I win by choosing option 4, I did it using a lie, and I don't like that.
Anyway, usually the teams that propose TIE agreements are the teams that already have an advantage over the opponent, and want to gather up some enthusiasm for the future.
The only instance when I would accept a TIE agreement is the first game of the season, be it either for the NT or club team. Because, again, the team that proposes the TIE is the one that has the advantage, and it's reasonable not to expect much when my GS is 7 all around and enthusiasm is sitting at 5.
Well, this is just my personal opinion and I respect other opinions that don't agree with this one.

I know I might be "outing" myself, but I usually only offer Tie-Deals if I´m going to play Tie anways. So even if my opponent denies the deal, it´s still a 85% probability that I´ll Tie the game, unless I really have a serious reason to expect him to crunch. In that case, I´ll try to convince my opponent to at least agree not to crunch simply by telling him I´m planning to tie nevertheless, unless I have him "up for something", in which case I´d play normal and leave him with the risk of STILL losing if crunching.

And I´m obviously only offering Tie-Deals when I´m the favourite for the game and if I´m having a solid chance of winning tie vs. normal or normal vs. CT.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 11/16/2011 8:18:47 PM