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Two of your old guys seem to disprove that. (4547102) and (6627910) seem to be performing better than their salary.

smh... do you not understand the difference between causal & coincidental?? that's like you "disproving" that smoking is bad for you by finding a couple of 100 year olds that smoke & saying...."hey they look healthier than the average 100 year old."

If you just want to cherry-pick examples... My $30k center (9634279) has the **lowest experience** of my regular PF/Cs, & got a 20 game rating on Tuesday (46052887). Way lower experience than Garabalde & half the salary. Explain? And they both average basically the same rating over the entire season.

i've done actual experiments in PL games & scrimmages. experience doesn't matter like you think it does. let me dig up 1 test vs. lucky fans if i can find it.

I don't like old players that drop in skill and would try to avoid them

Old guys can be good cheaper stop gap measures to get fill gaps. The trick is to plan ahead so you either have a trainee or cash to replace them when their skills drop. In some cases, depending on your situation, they can slide into a backup role. The key is to think ahead and have plan on how to replace them. Players with high levels of experience tend to perform at a good level.

Word up!

I like to try to get guys for non-training positions relatively cheaply at a starter level, and then let them slide into becoming backups and eventually deep reserves and then move them on. That means that there's not much hope of recovering any money from selling them when they're done, but I'm not one of those managers who evaluates success or failure based on transfer profits. ;)

Ok, check this game out. (45502691)

I had max enthusiasm & it was a bunch of my high experience 40 year olds vs. lucky fans.
This guy (4192740) has sensational experience & got dominated by a lucky fan! Since lucky fans don't show up in the box score (only the viewer), let me recap what happened:

First quarter alone:
No non-lucky fan made a basket the entire first quarter. Lucky Fan SG ended up 3-4 shooting, including a face 3pter. While Lucky Fan Center had 6 rebounds & 2 blocks in the quarter(!)

For the Game: Lucky Fan SG was the leading scorer, and held my SG to 3-26 shooting. Lucky Fan even won the points per 100 shots...

Lucky Fan Center had 5 blocks, 15 rebounds (!), 4 steals, & Held my centers to a combined 5-29 shooting.

Yes, experience really matters

Last edited by shikago at 6/23/2012 12:37:48 PM

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Looking at my roster. I'm going to wait for Buzlaga to recover, going to pick up another player off TL soon, a Center/PF player.

What should my concerns be right now? Power, Jung, and Guangbang are the ones whom receive training. I am mildly concerned about only having 3 8ishk salary guys, and then the 3 backups all around 4500-5200 salary. But, I am 9-1 manage my GS and Enthusiasm quite well. My arena at next expansion will be in "3" days putting me at 6k, 500, 75, 0 for seating.

I know I need to get some luxury boxes on next expansion. But what should I be worried about...

Getting 4 luxury boxes... selling the 1 guy... picked up 2 guys to replace him basically... 1 got injured immediately...
10-1 now. What should be my concerns.....?

sigh, let's recap. you said:

Players with high levels of experience tend to perform at a good level.

i said only that you're "way overrating experience IMO". You then respond by claiming that 2 of my old guys "seem to disprove that", because they perform better than you think they should.

So using your logic, I gave you an example of a different player on my team.... one with half the salary & much lower experience -- performing as well as the very example you used!!! I asked you to explain that. (but you never did)

I don't think you can include any games with lucky fans.

Why I showed you a lucky fan game: It was a game between players of very similar skill levels. The only major difference being experience. 12-13 levels difference, which is certainly extreme. Now if guys with sensational-tremendous experience & high enthusiasm can't even outplay lucky fans... what does that tell you about experience? (note: in case you didn't know, lucky fans have atrocious skills).


Tell me if you get the difference between the following:
#1: Random players are doing better than expected. They happen to have high experience. Therefore, it must be because of experience.
#2: Having repeated matchups between equally skilled players, with the only real variable being experience. The experienced players fail to significantly outperform inexperienced players game after game. Therefore, experience must not matter as much as many believe.

Look, I'm not going to spend time compiling you a report, or summarizing a bunch of data for you. Either believe me when i say you're overrating experience or don't. This isn't a public referendum or anything. I gain nothing from convincing you & I really don't care to get in an argument over it.

(28551)

Looking at my roster. I'm going to wait for Buzlaga to recover, going to pick up another player off TL soon, a Center/PF player.

What should my concerns be right now? Power, Jung, and Guangbang are the ones whom receive training. I am mildly concerned about only having 3 8ishk salary guys, and then the 3 backups all around 4500-5200 salary. But, I am 9-1 manage my GS and Enthusiasm quite well. My arena at next expansion will be in "3" days putting me at 6k, 500, 75, 0 for seating.

I know I need to get some luxury boxes on next expansion. But what should I be worried about...

Getting 4 luxury boxes... selling the 1 guy... picked up 2 guys to replace him basically... 1 got injured immediately...
10-1 now. What should be my concerns.....?

(crickets chirping)

Out of curiosity, do you find that your merchandise increase is enough to cover all those marginal players, if that is why you're keeping them.

Out of curiosity, do you find that your merchandise increase is enough to cover all those marginal players, if that is why you're keeping them.

I can't imagine that the merchandise for the 11 extremely low salary players combined would be enough to buy a beer. But likewise, those 11 players' salary combines to a very low amount (roughly 7500, give or take maybe a couple hundred) and so wouldn't trouble the economy of nearly any team, let alone one in the NBBA.

I can't imagine that the merchandise for the 11 extremely low salary players combined would be enough to buy a beer.

Hey, who *doesn't* want a sour urine, i mean a Sourpis, jersey??? (18733826) Or a glass of David Merlot? (10282407) And it was a 14,000 fan sellout to watch my 40 and older PL game! (More than 10inch Vertical has drawn all of this season!)

You're right, the money for the worst of them is a drop in the bucket. However... Since D2, i've probably spent $50k+ per week on players 11-26. I guess I can make a case for the first couple being worth it.... but there's still like $25k per week in dead weight. Still, it's great fun facing all the serious, by-the-numbers, try hard teams while i'm doing everything "wrong". (under 10k arena when i got to the NBBA, massive roster, etc..)

Last edited by shikago at 6/28/2012 12:18:29 PM