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The conclusion is
"Any other person who disagree with Wolph is just trolling, so please stop arguing and writing stupid posts. Just praise the lord and shout - MICRONATION ARE DISCRIMINATED!"

Man, once I show you that you were wrong with your conclusions and you call me "troll". The math is easy and calculator don't bite.

1st season in 2nd division in Japan (1st season in 1st division in Japan is already calculated by BBKing. The revenue is even high up to 4mln witout any trade):
Salary: 50k (after few releases from roster)
Staff: 20k (similar as in BBKing calculations)
Scouting: 10k

Arena: 131 500$ (in D2 you can easily set up maximum prices with basic arena)
Merchandise: 20k
TV: 120k?

After 1 season: (20+120-20-10)*14 + 131,5*11 (minimum league matches) - 50 * 12 ~ 2,4 mln $ + 0,3 mln for start + 0,2 mln (after 4 weeks bonus)

What about polish D5 (1st season):
Salary: 50k (after few releases from roster)
Staff: 20k (similar as in BBKing calculations)
Scouting: 10k

Arena: 60-70k
Merchandise: 15k
TV: 55k

After 1 season: (15+55-20-10)*14 + 70*11 (minimum league matches and really high income) - 50 * 12 ~ 80 k + 0,3 mln for start + 0,2 mln (after 4 weeks bonus)

The calculations are quit good if both teams don;t play PO. Do you see the difference now? If you still have problems, please tell me who is harder to beat:
Stunners (almost no transfers this season, but still play in PO in JBBL) or Odlewnictwo (DIII champion)/SFKrawężniki Elbląg (another DIII champion)?

Last edited by Pewu at 8/20/2012 9:11:34 AM

Afaik it's probably your 1000th topic about discrimination of micro nations, so it's funny if you talk about whining.
Unfortunatelly math never lies. I always thought that math is the same in every country. Now I know that I was wrong.

man, i don't get this thread.

BB King explained the financial aspects by using very realistic calculation. other counter arguments are taken to the extreme(merchandise, fan's attendace,etc)

also, Wolph, please take into account the lack of support for your theory whine about something else, such as lack of national players on the div I rosters, or small signing bonuses for developing BB countries.

long term the benefits of playing in a micro-nation super-seed the disadvantages. i played in Romania div I in the second season in my country and didn't know about Buzzerbeaters best. sadly i quit because ratings and skills were low in all BB and the game was less appealing

lack of knowledge of the game will make you waste money or potential to make money. and those things will be adverted if you truly want to play and succeed.

i think BB-staff want to attract new users and commit a lot of resources to make this game a pleasant experience, but they cannot guarantee success to everyone. and regarding discrimination. only in BB Best, U21 and NT you compete with other countries.

I know the message gets lost but the problem is still real. It is always better if the first experience is a winning one and that can best be served by starting in the lowest division in the country. One of the problems with micronations is that there is a huge salary gap between the top division and the others. In India, our top salaries are about 800k while a Div. II salary may be 100k with an appropriate arena. It rapidly discourages people.

what you said are all true, i also respect and like the answer of the two polska people BB king and pewu...very smart people answered the issue of the foreigner from japan with supporting data and showing that issues raise by this foreigner that live in japan, what is his name wolfe?....as something any player from any nation or country experience. no discrimination here, those that lose and quit didn't try to play hard enough, or they didn't bother enough to analyse the game, learned from others or read the guide and forums to win. a true player will naturally lose a lot in his first season and he accept this with respect to others that are playing this game longer than he had. he will also accept that he will make mistakes....but the good thing is he will learn from this mistakes and it will make him a better player.

Man think about what you are telling me. It's called rich problems. It seems 2-3 millions profit in 1st season is too less for you, while about 70% new users (about 70% user plays in just 15 countries) has problems with even make any profit. You showed me teams managed by managers which I think don't care about that game. 2 of them were logged last time 2 weeks ago. It means they didn't read articles on forum or maybe even game manual. Why I should I care about weak managers? If they can't count and manage their teams, they will bankrupt even in 7th division.

total cost just under 4million spent...so far (and he still needs to spend another 1.5 million or so to full size IMO)

That's the best part. You are sad, because he doesn't have full size arena? After 2,5 half season? It's ridiculous. It's mine 12 season and I still have no chance to have full arena. There are much more managers who plays 10+ seasons and still have no 20k+ arena. We don't have such a money to expand arena and stay competitive.

God bless, you are not playing in such a leagues as: polish, spanish, german, italian, american etc. Then you will wrote twice much posts about...macronation discrimination :)

BTW, If you start in D1 there is no way to go bankrupt even if you pay salary floor and lose every match. Another count:

Salaries: 342 000$ (190 000$ *1,8)
Staff: 45 000 $ (let's say he trains someone)
Scouting: 0 $

Arena: 131 500$ (maximum prices and maximum attendance)
Merchandise: 45 000$ (seems proper, but could be even higher. I had in D2 60k merch even with salaries under salary floor)
TV: 190 000$ (is that current TV contract?)

Profit: (190 000 + 45 000 - 45 000) * 14 + 131 500 * 11 - 342 000 * 12 = 16 500$ + bonus for newcomers

14 weeks - all season
12 salaries - you don't pay salaries if you don't play PO or relegation matches
11 matches in regular season