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what is the most unconventional player that you have seen?

This actually reminds me of an idea I threw out a couple of season ago: (235389.1). Funny to see that more people are trending towards that type of player, but it seems it's indeed very hard to train such a player.

Maybe this is a more achievable goal: to have 1 guard and 1 big that switch positions defensively, with the following skillset:

PG: 6'9" Superstar $60k* 122 TSP
JS 11 JR 9
OD 7 HA 15
DR 15 PA 15
IS 7 ID 17
RB 16 SB 10

C: 6'7" Perennial Allstar $50k* 115 TSP
JS 11 JR 7
OD 18 HA 11
DR 14 PA 9
IS 18 ID 7
RB 15 SB 5

Admittedly the guard is relatively weak offensively, but with the ~200K salary you save you can have 3 other starters that are more expensive and make up for it. He'll be easier to train if he's a tall player because he only needs PA that's hard to train for tall players and that's not too bad either. 122 TSP seems achievable because of this. His rebounding is low for a C, but the C defending as PG has a huge edge rebounding over PG's so I hope that makes up for it.

The center seems pretty good though hard to train because of the high IS/OD combo. That's why 115 TSP seems the best achievable. He'll be good on offense while still being able to grab offensive rebounds, and has decent secondaries. On defense he can defend guards and outrebound them.

What do you say? Sounds more achievable? Will it perform well enough? Worth the 200k savings in salary?

*Salary/potential calculated using buzzer-manager.com's salary estimation.

he only needs PA that's hard to train for tall players

no. taller players train faster than small ones.
from the training speed analysis:
6'0'' --> 0.66 per training
6'6'' --> 0.70 per training
7'0'' --> 0.74 per training
7'6'' --> 0.77 per training
for 18 year old trainee, single position

JS 11 JR 7
OD 18 HA 11
DR 14 PA 9
IS 18 ID 7
RB 15 SB 5

ID 7 will be hard to keep it that low. OD and RB both train ID. If you really want to try this build you have to start with ID 1. Than there is a possibility that ID will stop at 7. But I would bet on it. 2,5 ups in OD go with 1 up in ID. And you will need at least 11 ups in OD.
As an example: ID 10 wil take a lot of cap space away. You would have to go with IS 16 or RB 13 instead.

no. taller players train faster than small ones.

Yeah I've seen the numbers but I remain skeptical since it differs from the general rule that tall players train slow in guard skills. Do those numbers take into account the elastic effect since most bigs have higher HA than PA so it will always profit from elastic effect, while small players actually get a negative there. In any case, it supports the point I was trying to make that it's easier to train the PG defending as C.

ID 7 will be hard to keep it that low

I'm aware of the secondary training, but you can take that into account when finding your player. A bit more ID doesn't hurt and at worst he'll cost 60k and need Superstar, but that's still very managable.

Just looking to other ways of playing though can turn this around.

This is what I'm trying to do, and I like your idea of defensive specalists with other players carrying the offense. It's a step in the direction I'm trying to go.

Mate, with that height and keeping IS low you can make him into a C much quicker...you don't need 16 OD on a C: it might be enough to defend most guards while playing out of position, but if he plays as a big man 16 is overkill while some extra ID-SB would probably be significant

Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/23/2014 11:31:31 AM

The problem is that with that height it will take many seasons to bring up OD without elastic effect. all I'm saying is that if you give up some OD (14 perhaps?) with that height you'll be able to get elite inside defensive and rebounding numbers, which means this guy will be able to defend anything 3-5. 16OD-16ID is surely great, just not elite and he'd still suffer against elite Cs and outside guards. I'd go 14OD-18ID-18SB, but it's just me.