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As an American user who voted for JP for reelection, I fully support his decision on the game.

Who cares about winning the Americas championship? Certainly not me. The only thing it is good for is qualifying for the worlds. If you qualify for the worlds, you succeed. If you don't, you fail. Anything other than a CT int he semifinals is a ridiculous and arrogant move on the part of a manager in the Americas.

I don't agree with him on everything, but JP is right here. The finals match was a glorified scrimmage.

Well, then we will just have to agree to disagree. You think we are ridiculous and arrogant, and we thing you are ridiculous and a bad loser.

if you think your decision making was the correct and that our was ridiculous, then what can I say, we were the champions, we went to the world cup too (and we did much better there). So the facts are all there for anyone to see. All these things you guys are saying are just meant to diminish Brasil and our title, which will not be accomplished be any person can see how pathetic it is.

Like I said, this is just a difference of opinions. You guys are confusing the Americas Cup tournament with the WC Qualifying. If you just want to go to the WC, just play the qualifying tournament for it next season. The Americas Cup is its own competition, and if you don't care about it then you shouldn't even play it.

Go make your scrimmages and defend your imaginary belts that you awarded to yourself because you couldn't win anything real.

Your argument is essentially like the USA being excited about finishing in 1st place in CONCACAF qualifying over Mexico for the last World Cup. Big whoop.

In your effing face you dirty pile of cheating nut-grabbing diving overpaid losers!

Oops sorry, I'm still excited about USA finishing above Mexico in qualifying. Move on.

I'm not trying to diminish your title at all. It's tough to diminish something I didn't value in the first place. If you value it, by all means, proclaim its value to the BB world.

Just like it would be silly to do anything other than CT the semifinal, it would also be silly to not play in the Americas Cup. It is the primary means of qualifying for the Worlds. Yes, there is a secondary means, but I would be strongly against JP ignoring the primary means to qualification.

Your argument is essentially like the USA being excited about finishing in 1st place in CONCACAF qualifying over Mexico for the last World Cup. Big whoop.

There is a big difference. A Qualifying tournament is meant only to give teams spots int he World Cup, but a continental tournament is a tournament on its own, it has a title which is at stake, and it is NOT, by any means, meaningless. Titles are all you can win on Buzzerbeater.

And like I said a thousand times: the Champion goes to the World Cup too. So your whole argument is simply incorrect.

If we had lost in the semi-final (or had being not really far from that as we were), then you could say something. But that's not how it was. We worked hard, finished 1st, played a weaker team that we clearly could beat with a normal (since we beat them before with less effort and the difference between the teams was huge), so our decision was perfect.

I never said you did wrong by CTing your semi-final. If you felt you needed it to win, than you did perfectly right. What is unacceptable is you guys saying that our decision was ridiculous... Why would someone CT a game they don't need to CT to win? That's just dumb. That was the case for us, and we are definitely not dumb. In fact, we normalled a game in the second round precisely to make sure we would finish 1st of the group and have a weaker game in the semis. That's called: good strategy.

And stop acting like I'm the one trying to give value to something that has no value. No! The title has A LOT of value, it is actually the second most important title on Buzzerbeater (tied with the other continental titles, and only behind the WC title). What is happening here is YOU guys trying to take out the value of somethign that IS in fact really valuable, by definition.

Last edited by raonne at 6/25/2008 9:51:00 PM

Your argument is essentially like the USA being excited about finishing in 1st place in CONCACAF qualifying over Mexico for the last World Cup. Big whoop.

In your effing face you dirty pile of cheating nut-grabbing diving overpaid losers!

Oops sorry, I'm still excited about USA finishing above Mexico in qualifying. Move on.

Jajajajajaja!

Nothing is more pathetic than a loser saying he didn't want to win a game that he really couldn't win, and didn't win...

Don't you realize that saying that you didn't care about a game just because you couldn't win it is pathetic? Calling a TITLE meaningless just because you lost it...

When you get elected the USA NT coach (read: never), then you get decide how we feel about what certain games mean.

Qualifying for the Worlds was much more important than winning the Americas final to the USA, regardless of how you feel about it.

If we had CTed the semi-final and you had been lucky in the final and beat us, I'm sure it would mean something to you. The attitude you have is the worst one a loser can possibly have.

Who was the one that said "And I didn't have to explain anything to my community about losing a semi-final because we didn't lose. "? Well, you didn't CT the semifinal, so you're hypocritical to make judgments on something that didn't happen if you're going to bash me for doing the same.

You talk as if you've done great things, but you didn't win anything. We have a title.

A title that didn't mean much to us, especially compared to qualifying for what was relevant to us. That fact does not change regardless of your opinion on it.

You dare to say a TITLE is meaningless

Not titles in general, but the Americas in particular when qualifying for the Worlds is what we cared about.

when in fact that is the ultimate goal on buzzerbeater.

To Brazil. We are not Brazil. We do not have to feel the same way about things as Brazil.

If you watch soccer checkout the ongoing continental cup in Europe and see if that is "meaningless".

So tell me, what does the Euro runner-up advance to? Oh, right, nothing. You do understand that the real life Euro '08 tournament has as much relevance to the Season 3 BB Americas tournament as the Pope?

You just saying things don't make it true

You seem to believe that for yourself. You want to impose your beliefs on the USA and it's community.

The first round game WAS irrelevant since it made no difference in the end of the standings

It was completely relevant at the time it was played - it was a de facto 2nd Round game for both of us. Bringing a better record to the 2nd Round helped us TIE our way to the semifinals, the game that mattered to the USA. The Americas final did nothing to further the USA's advancement in the Worlds. Again, these are facts that do not change regardless of your opinion.

So don't be ridiculous to say that meant more than the final.

The 1st Round game did more to help us advance than the Final ever could. You don't get to tell us what we think.

And if you entered that competition with the "only" aim of being second place, then usa americans should be concerned.

We entered that competition with the stated goal of advancing to the Worlds, period. When you can convince us that winning that Final had a tangible benefit aimed at advancing in the Worlds, we'll listen then.

Oh, and somehow I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the majority of "USA Americans" don't give a flying bleep about what you think they should be concerned about.

So seriously man, watch your mouth when you want to say **** about us.

Actually, I'll continue to express my opinion, even if it means Isiah Thomas eats a few more babies.

Last edited by Edju at 6/25/2008 10:41:02 PM

Nothing is more pathetic than a loser saying he didn't want to win a game that he really couldn't win, and didn't win...

You can't make someone care about a particular game.

If you don't like it, too bad.

I don't give a rats about what you or USA americans think and i'm not telling you what you guys should think.

What I am saying is that YOU cannot tell the WORLD what to think either. You cannot say a title is meaningless just because it is meaningless to you. I never had any problems with you guys saying it is meaningless to you. That's your problem. I don't care if your aim was to finish 2nd either. That's your problem too.

But don't say the Americas title is meaningless period, because it is not. We entered the tournament to win it and we did.

I am simply disgusted by your attitude. You managed to do the impossible, which is to reach your own all time low in the buzzerbeater forums. You could simply say "congratulations, you did great, made the right decisions and won the title. We opted to focus on just qualifying to the WC." That would have been fine. But you choose to diminish other people's accomplishments, which is very unfortunate.