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I don't know what works. I never said I know everything, but you act like I did. I know neither 2-3 nor M2M work against LI right now. Maybe 2-3 like Mloty's works with added SB, but unfortunately we don't have any data to work from yet. Right now LI offense is so good I can only work on the same thing everyone is working - learning how to perfect it better than the opponent becauseno defense won't stop it. So every game is a race of who's got the better offense and who can foul out their opponent's players before their own do.

So far the only countermeasure to LI is Patient, but your team has to be built very specifically - just like today's LI teams. But a team designed only to beat LI can be easily stopped by a good 3-2 since it's so narrow it doesn't have any other plan of attack. For now I don't think 3-2 from Dyionisius or Mloty can stop well-built Patient team because they would be at a disadvantage regarding Rebounding. However, a well-built Patient team takes seasons to build and so far I don't see anybody with such a team yet.

Unfortunately I didn't have many games to work from, but I hope I'll get more in next B3. I took the data from these three games:

Dyonisius against 2-3 (58832734)
Pirulos (semifnals) against Mloty's 2-3 (65406236)
猛牛(finals) against Mloty's 2-3 (65653784)

I took a closer look at what Dyonisius guards are doing against 2-3,and then what Mloty's opponents' guards are doing against 2-3. 8 (6) midrange means the player had 8 midrange attempts (jumpers) and hit 6 of them.

Dyonisius (vs Inbarim)
PG: 8 (6) midrange, 3 (3) driving layups, 3 (1) long range
SG: 5 (1) midrange, 5 (4) driving layups, 3 (3) inside shots, 2 (0) long range

Myloty semifinals
PG: 12 (9) midrange, 1 (0) driving layup, 3 (0) inside shots, 1 (1) long range
SG: 8 (4) midrange, 3 (1) driving layup, 1 (1) inside shot, 2 (1) long range

Myloty finals
PG: 4 midrange (2), 3 (1) driving layup, 3 (2) inside shots, 3 (0) long range
SG: 6 (3) midrange, 4 (1) driving layup, 1 (1) inside shot, 2 (1) long range

So the thing that sticks out is Dyo's guards were much more succesfull at driving layups than Mloty's opponents. This goes to show Mloty's 2-3 is much better constructed than Inbarim's. So what would Dyo's guards have to have if they faced Mloty's opponents? Mloty's 2-3 would take away their driving layups, so Dyo's guards would have to rely on midrange and long range shots more. Ergo, more JS/JR I advocated in first place.

What bothered me a bit is all three missed inside shots by PG in semifinals. PG was Lanzuela, a terrific Spanish NT player, who is built in the same way as Dyo's PG (lots of IS), so he should score on those inside attempts. I guess he was having a bad day due to game shape or enthusiasm. Unfortunately I have to guess since I have so little data to work from. But you can see Lanzuela's stats are similar or even better than Dyo's PG; he took almost no driving layups in favour of better inside looks, and he took a lot of midrange shots because he was very good at that. Unfortunately he was one of two only good offensive players and they defended horribly (Mloty's FG was 52-88 in that game), so pirulos had no chance there.

I think Mloty would lose in the finals if his oppponent's SG was similar to Lanzuela, because he would take more inside shots in favour of driving layups.



Last edited by Koperboy at 12/21/2013 12:18:15 AM

Pirulos had a huge hit on GS on Reinares (starting spain SF) and a very tough injury for that game. I think it would have been another story were those conditions different.

But I do not know if pirulos would have won that final, in the end this is a matchup game and he was not as suited to play 猛牛 as he was to play Mloty.

I was following Pirulos as well, and I thought they would win against Mloty Stargard. But they had an injury so I changed to Mloty.

Pirulos always had good results, compared to game ratings. No idea why, maybe more secondary skills? Couldn't bother to check transfer records, or players history..