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Then we are back to how I conclude my first post.

If you think 4M is enough to buy a full squad to win D.III then the fee is too high for a 18yo and IMO should be corrected by the GMs. Maybe it was and we are not told about it. It's not a problem with the draft or luck with the draft but it's a transfer fee out of scale.

My example was bad on purpose, you don't have to take it down :)

I don't want you to prove anything but you are overreacting out of frustration.
You can't complain you don't find any suitable trainee in the draft if you don't scout !

Look last season.
Cucco 76ers had the first pick, he got him : (20959021)
Nobody could steal him from him, he had the first pick.

But... look at the player he got on round 2 : (20958997)
Even his 3rd round is better than your first choice : (20959015)

He has scouted, he was not luckier than everyone else in your league to pick such a player in the 2nd round. He may have invested hundreds of thousands in scouting.

I don't understand why you want to drive this problem only to me... We are on the same boat, if you've enough experience you should know how the draft works, if not I tried to explain but probably I wasn't clear.
I would like to improve this game and once again I still don't find any element that supports this kind of draft. Have you seen all the posts? I don't want to convince any of you, some people here would like to change the actual system for a lot of reasons, then for other people the draft seems ok in this way. In the first case there were some explainations supporting our ideas on the other side I see only people talking about nothing, it means that no one has still express in clear words why this draft is the best draft we can have here in BB.
I respect all the opinions but if there is an opinion to respect, the only sentence pro-draft was that random is everywhere, I accept it and I'm asking to reduce it not to cancel it.

If you want to discuss let's do that I think my position is very simple and clear and I'd like to listen some words coming from BBs but for an unknow reason they don't talk here anymore and the "outside" BBs are not in position to speak about it.

BB Forrest, we miss you

I am sorry, I don't want to look like I am going after you but I did raise an eyebrow on you saying it's impossible for you to find a decent draftee and that nobody had a good draftee last season. This is not true.

You don't want to play the draft game anymore. All right. You don't have to, there are other ways to play.

A few topics were discussed in the thread but the main point is basically that the money received for good draftees is unfair because the owner doesn't deserve it...
I have seen two examples in the thread, both draftees were first choices but not first picks. So at least, the owner did a better job than the higher picks before him. Give him credit for that. Maybe he spent more, had more info and combined to a bit of luck was able to spot the player and draft him. That's not complete random luck.
The draft is a bit of a gamble but it's strategic too even more so since we can save scouting points. I think it's a nice change. The money you invest in scouting can't be invested in something else, it's a true strategic decision. Chosing wisely which season to scout hard, evaluating your opponents likeliness to scout, who has money spare to spend on scouting, focusing on one particular type of player to reduce the cost of scouting, taking note that the 3 teams who will pick before you train guards for example, there is a multitude of strategies to follow so reducing the draft to pure luck is quite harsh.

The OP was about the millions received for good draftees. Some bids are maybe excessive, to deal with it I think the simplest solution is to examine each case and adjust the fee if necessary. There is no need to shake up the whole system.

Whiners gona whine. last season, an okay team in my league in season 15 got a okay HoF guy, sold for 3.5 mil and hes not even worth that. he won the division and is doing great at div 2. Good for him, both sides are getting too extreme. Just like life, nuthing can be completely fair. By getting millions for a draftee might help the guy to get up a divison but no way can it bring the team to international level. The man still needs some real skills to excel in this game.

I'd like to see a suggestion that would cancel out the randomness while not creating an overabundance of good young players. You argue against every point supporting this system, but offer no alternatives to it.

while you are writing this do you realize we have an average of 4 professional divisions in each country in this game? You are saying BB doesnt give us a realistic draftee, but BB gives us and allows high purchase price for rookies so that in turn we can use the cash for an immediate impact on the team that real life Hof/AtG rookies have. In the end, everything kinda makes sense if you think bout it.

Theres nothing unfair about the system. All players who get first pick in draft shuld draft a guy who culd sell for 1 million if he/she is smart enuf to know he/she is gonna end up with a 1st pick. Often times, the player who sold the rookie will buy several awsome players and make himself/herself a contender for the title that season. Now, in III and above divisions, the new bought players are not a guarantee for title but rather raising the level of the team so they can compete against the best team in the respective division.
All of you who are complaining are probably the ranked 8th/9th team that didnt get relegated and didnt make the playoff and now stuck with a crappy 1st rounder and now very very jealous. It takes investment, risks and good decisions for a player to decide to tank a season or two for a top rookie. not all luck

Last edited by MacMade at 8/20/2011 12:41:53 AM

In BB we get all players with the skill level really of benchwarmer or less and at 18~19 with some having potential and others not. This is not realistic

But it makes BuzzerBeater interesting and playable. In NBA we have 30 teams, in BuzzerBeater we have 50k. It is impossible that game with 50k teams can work in the same way as game with 30 teams. So comparision to NBA is wrong. NBA is closed league without promotion and relegation. So what? First 30 users joined to BB should play in NBA and other shouldn't have even chance?
In real life the best player in 2000th the best club in country is even worse than 18yo rookie in BB ;-)
Do we really want realistic game? So every club should hire hundreds workers - lawyers, accountants, bodyguards, etc, etc, not one manager for few minutes per day.
In NBA we have ~450 players, in BB we have ~800-900k (in alive clubs, if bots included I think we have ~6-8M). So scale of skills must be wider. I wrote it in other topic, if we want to use BB scale to describe NBA players, then the worst player in NBA has skill = 17-18.
Good online game must be unrealistic in many aspects.