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Today, Stonie and I played a PL game and we wanted to test die GDP.
He played LI and 1-3-1 and I had RnG and 3-2. We both had the right GDP. The 1-3-1 needs 4 great outside defender and Stonie has them.

Here is the result:

(65403882)

OD 16! Welcome to the new boosted world of BB. And take into account, that his enthusiasm is low because it's the beginning of the season, he has some small game shape issues, we played without effort (so maybe normal vs. normal) and there was no HCA.

It was definitely impressive. But I do think your guess of low enthusiasm is almost certainly incorrect - from appearances based on your opponent's competitive games, I'd expect they've played exclusively TIE and played with something like 12 enthusiasm. Doesn't change the fact that it's a quite impressive amount of OD to put up. I'd be especially interested to see if someone can replicate a result like that from a Thursday game and a Friday PL with and without the GDP so we can see how much of that applies, but still, +1 for a great data point.

Today, Stonie and I played a PL game and we wanted to test die GDP.
He played LI and 1-3-1 and I had RnG and 3-2. We both had the right GDP. The 1-3-1 needs 4 great outside defender and Stonie has them.

Here is the result:

(65403882)

OD 16! Welcome to the new boosted world of BB. And take into account, that his enthusiasm is low because it's the beginning of the season, he has some small game shape issues, we played without effort (so maybe normal vs. normal) and there was no HCA.

It was definitely impressive. But I do think your guess of low enthusiasm is almost certainly incorrect - from appearances based on your opponent's competitive games, I'd expect they've played exclusively TIE and played with something like 12 enthusiasm. Doesn't change the fact that it's a quite impressive amount of OD to put up. I'd be especially interested to see if someone can replicate a result like that from a Thursday game and a Friday PL with and without the GDP so we can see how much of that applies, but still, +1 for a great data point.

He had enthusiasm 10, as far as I know. Because he said that he would like to see his team playing with a higer enthusiasm, like 12 or 13. so he was definitely below.
From my data, I assumed something like a 15.33 in his OD. But there is still the influence of Pace missing. I have still a little work to do.

Today, Stonie and I played a PL game and we wanted to test die GDP.
He played LI and 1-3-1 and I had RnG and 3-2. We both had the right GDP. The 1-3-1 needs 4 great outside defender and Stonie has them.

Here is the result:

(65403882)

OD 16! Welcome to the new boosted world of BB. And take into account, that his enthusiasm is low because it's the beginning of the season, he has some small game shape issues, we played without effort (so maybe normal vs. normal) and there was no HCA.

It was definitely impressive. But I do think your guess of low enthusiasm is almost certainly incorrect - from appearances based on your opponent's competitive games, I'd expect they've played exclusively TIE and played with something like 12 enthusiasm. Doesn't change the fact that it's a quite impressive amount of OD to put up. I'd be especially interested to see if someone can replicate a result like that from a Thursday game and a Friday PL with and without the GDP so we can see how much of that applies, but still, +1 for a great data point.

He had enthusiasm 10, as far as I know. Because he said that he would like to see his team playing with a higer enthusiasm, like 12 or 13. so he was definitely below.
From my data, I assumed something like a 15.33 in his OD. But there is still the influence of Pace missing. I have still a little work to do.

If he hasn't normaled a game he's definitely above 10 even now. I'm sitting on 11 for tonight. But maybe one of his games was a normal, and surely he'd know more than either of us and I imagine you're more likely to know than I am. It's just odd to see 10 considered 'low' enthusiasm since for a lot of the season you can't have much more than that once out of the Cup.

Okay, time for more PARANOYA as you say, this time i am happy because i got advantage, not disadvantage. But it doesnt change the fact gdp is overpowered.
in my latest conclusion quessing right against quessing wrong is +1,5 defence rating + mots
2 games, in all games all my 3 centers had same forms, and very close dmi's dmis max diferent was 30k. first game against slidziu imtynininkai my center visagorskis had +2 more id than norvaisis in second game, shot blocking the same, pf was the same both games. centers played 48mins both games each pf was same all games played 32 and 29 mins. In first game against slidziu imtyninkai my sf was norvaisis which is +7 id than rockus-my sf in second game, so rating should have jacked up abit in first game against imtyninkai. Also so mention both games played at my arena with same pr manager. At first game against slidziu imtyninkai i used more ent, i motsed, while in second game i tied. Both times ent was 10 each. So the only real difference despite slightly higher IS skills in first game was Mots in first game tie in second and GDP all wrong in first game against GDP all right quessed in second. ANd GDP GOT ME +1,5 ID RATING + MOTS. while having sligly higher id on first game....

Sure gdp doesnt work i am paranoid lol, here links to the games
(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/66046927/boxscore.aspx) first game against slidziu, higher id skills, mots, wrong gdp quesses rating 7-7,3
(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/66046943/boxscore.aspx) second game, lower id skills, tie, gdp quesses all right rating 8,5

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 1/12/2014 8:40:30 AM

*guess. I have to apologize for my grammar naziness.

What that shows is that 4 predictions = 1.1 - 1.7 levels. Except I think at this point it's fair to say that going by levels is incorrect - it's clearly got to be a percentage of the base rating, since I gained personally somewhere from 1.6 to 1.9 levels myself from a single prediction (predicted OD wondrous (high), actual with correct outside prediction prodigious (medium)). The weird thing is that it looks like it's also redirecting some of the defense (I guessed outside, and my ID dropped a level vs. prediction).

The weird thing is that it looks like it's also redirecting some of the defense (I guessed outside, and my ID dropped a level vs. prediction).

i noticed this too, but it seems like still i got more bonus in inside than i lost in od.

And yep, its percentage, atleast it should be, like everything in this game is, and if it is its around 20 percent, so not too bad.

GDP works really well for me so far. I've beaten teams with 2x and even almost 3x more salary than me, just because I've set my tactics right (2-3 against inside oriented offense + GDP for more advantage). It's a must for us, owners of sh*tty teams.

What that shows is that 4 predictions = 1.1 - 1.7 levels. Except I think at this point it's fair to say that going by levels is incorrect - it's clearly got to be a percentage of the base rating, since I gained personally somewhere from 1.6 to 1.9 levels myself from a single prediction (predicted OD wondrous (high), actual with correct outside prediction prodigious (medium)). The weird thing is that it looks like it's also redirecting some of the defense (I guessed outside, and my ID dropped a level vs. prediction).

you mean this game? (65823062)
you played a 1-3-1. and a 1-3-1 gives your team an OD boost of 15-20%. I still don't have the exact percentage for this zone.
3-2: +10% OD; -10% ID
2-3: -20% OD, +10% ID ; +10% RB (still working here too)

So if you play a 1-3-1 or 3-2 you get a boost from the defensive tactic and than you get on this new OD a new boost for GDP. that's the reason why such high ratings like 16 are possible.

as soon as I loose in the cup, I will start testing/reworking the numbers with another manager from Germany. we will play several scrimmages with the same line ups and tactics. only GDP will be different. maybe I will have some better numbers at the end of this season...

What that shows is that 4 predictions = 1.1 - 1.7 levels. Except I think at this point it's fair to say that going by levels is incorrect - it's clearly got to be a percentage of the base rating, since I gained personally somewhere from 1.6 to 1.9 levels myself from a single prediction (predicted OD wondrous (high), actual with correct outside prediction prodigious (medium)). The weird thing is that it looks like it's also redirecting some of the defense (I guessed outside, and my ID dropped a level vs. prediction).

you mean this game? (65823062)
you played a 1-3-1. and a 1-3-1 gives your team an OD boost of 15-20%. I still don't have the exact percentage for this zone.
3-2: +10% OD; -10% ID
2-3: -20% OD, +10% ID ; +10% RB (still working here too)

So if you play a 1-3-1 or 3-2 you get a boost from the defensive tactic and than you get on this new OD a new boost for GDP. that's the reason why such high ratings like 16 are possible.

as soon as I loose in the cup, I will start testing/reworking the numbers with another manager from Germany. we will play several scrimmages with the same line ups and tactics. only GDP will be different. maybe I will have some better numbers at the end of this season...

Exactly. I added my info mostly to help out - the wondrous (high) predicted from coachparrot, which is usually very accurate for me when I adjust the minutes and enthusiasm for my lineup afterward and there's no garbage time. I would say for example if I had been predicted for 14.9 (which I don't remember as the spreadsheet that I did the calcs on is at home), a 10% boost for the GDP would have put me at essentially 16.4, which would be right about the expected range, so maybe one prediction being worth 10% is a decent baseline estimate? If so it's higher than I expected, but hopefully more fine folk such as yourself and the other people contributing to the thread can come up with more and more data points to allow for more informed analysis.

What that shows is that 4 predictions = 1.1 - 1.7 levels. Except I think at this point it's fair to say that going by levels is incorrect - it's clearly got to be a percentage of the base rating, since I gained personally somewhere from 1.6 to 1.9 levels myself from a single prediction (predicted OD wondrous (high), actual with correct outside prediction prodigious (medium)). The weird thing is that it looks like it's also redirecting some of the defense (I guessed outside, and my ID dropped a level vs. prediction).

you mean this game? (65823062)
you played a 1-3-1. and a 1-3-1 gives your team an OD boost of 15-20%. I still don't have the exact percentage for this zone.
3-2: +10% OD; -10% ID
2-3: -20% OD, +10% ID ; +10% RB (still working here too)

So if you play a 1-3-1 or 3-2 you get a boost from the defensive tactic and than you get on this new OD a new boost for GDP. that's the reason why such high ratings like 16 are possible.

as soon as I loose in the cup, I will start testing/reworking the numbers with another manager from Germany. we will play several scrimmages with the same line ups and tactics. only GDP will be different. maybe I will have some better numbers at the end of this season...

Exactly. I added my info mostly to help out - the wondrous (high) predicted from coachparrot, which is usually very accurate for me when I adjust the minutes and enthusiasm for my lineup afterward and there's no garbage time. I would say for example if I had been predicted for 14.9 (which I don't remember as the spreadsheet that I did the calcs on is at home), a 10% boost for the GDP would have put me at essentially 16.4, which would be right about the expected range, so maybe one prediction being worth 10% is a decent baseline estimate? If so it's higher than I expected, but hopefully more fine folk such as yourself and the other people contributing to the thread can come up with more and more data points to allow for more informed analysis.

I started with 10% for the GDP. But I diveded it in 7,5% for Tactic and 2,5% for Pace. But you played without the Pace prediction and you were near the 10%.
I have to take a look at the coachparrot and my own stuff and test it.
My last PL game against the swiss team, I predicted for him 15.84 as the OD with the tactic and pace settings. So I wasn't that far away ;)