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Honestly speaking,
Would you rather be in a situation where it was in your best interest to keep competing?
Economics has got to be a big factor in what you are doing right now, don't you think its a bit cheese?

The fact is you can accumulate more money sliding down from Division 1 in Germany/USA (bigger nation country) than you can where we are in Japan.

BUT

We also should be able to climb back up our divisional structure by spending less than teams in Germany/USA etc.

Economics plays a role in everyones decisions (major or minor) - for me the decision as I discussed with many of you was about gameplay. You may wish to argue differently and we will never know for sure (although its not too late still for me to prove it) but I would not have lost the JBBL for perhaps another 10 seasons if I opted to remain competitive. Could I have continued to win the domestic cup or a 2nd BB3? (possibly not) but the JBBL was mine to lose and I have opted for the next 2 seasons to pass it by.

In every country you have a maverick or maverick teams that others look at and say - he's not playing the conventional way or he trains funny or he's got a 30,000 arena, he doesn't set line ups, he's a farm team etc. etc. There are teams I'm convinced with more money than me also looking to time their runs up their respective domestic ladders and each season a conventional team will complain that they are outdone by someone who bucked the trend or didn't play with the spirit of the game...

We all know the parameters of the game - we all have ample options to work within these to enjoy and manage our franchises the way we wish to. If you want to reduce the variables, be my guest!

47 "active" managers in a country. Suitable country for tanking. Seems to be a good strategy if you want to go after B3. Can you do the same in 3000+ manager country (which this game prolly is designed for)?

Seems to be a good strategy if you want to go after B3 again.

To win the B3 these days you have to make a sacrifice that you didnt have to in the earlier seasons.

The first few seasons were dominated by who could load up their team with the best players so starting earlier and day trading or just constantly upgrading to the best players/weapons money could buy was the formula to success.

The last seasons winners have been operating at or close to full capacity whilst there have been better players available for them to use from the Transfer list IF they wanted to temporarily dip in and re-inforce their team.

Now to win I estimate you will have to operate OVER your maximum income threshold and use players that depreciate faster than previous winners players have depreciated during their cup runs.

Now this prize is more geared towards a kamikaze team OR a team in their final push before exploding. (although their will be some admirable threats from teams that are planning to win the conventional way)

No-ones discussed a team that explodes yet as opposed to tanking. If a manager knows this is his last season in BB then how much do you think he needs to ensure a BB3 victory?

Good points Wolph.

I would say tanking on a scale of 1-10 right now is a 10... im loving the thought of what it could lead to and having fun with quirky trainees I wouldn't normally look at.

Playing in a competitive league = ? As the JBBL has never been like that. As a comparison the PL series I have helped to create = 10. Without doubt the highlight of the week (when I did have a full strength squad) and when the conditions changed to neutral court and now we have more tactics open to us its even better. IF the enthusiasm remained constant for PL games then it would be ideal.

Blowing everyone out the water in Japan also = 10 :D Honestly there are teams there that should be so much more advanced and despite there being a few that are ahead of the curve a wins a win a win. A buzzerbeater winner or an 80 point mauling. It was irrelevant as no-one spent the money they had to compete with me.

So right now for me the fun factor is the tanking as its gotten to the stage a win is about as fun a loss. There is little satisfaction in either until the JBBL edges closer to the type of competition that can be arranged in a Friday night Private League.

Had I not stepped down I can guarantee that teams wouldve plodded along banking cash waiting for their moment (which wouldn't have come) and even after stepping down no-ones really gone aggressive to ensure top dog status for the coming 2 seasons. I'm sure those I'm pointing the finger at will say there is no need to as all you effectively have to do now is beat last seasons 2nd best and everyone will proclaim to training rounded players blah blah blah.... so I've decided to go down the next best route and make sure when teams are operating at or close to full capacity they will still be no better off position wise or chance wise than they were last season.

Honestly speaking,
Would you rather be in a situation where it was in your best interest to keep competing?
Economics has got to be a big factor in what you are doing right now, don't you think its a bit cheese?

The fact is you can accumulate more money sliding down from Division 1 in Germany/USA (bigger nation country) than you can where we are in Japan.

BUT

We also should be able to climb back up our divisional structure by spending less than teams in Germany/USA etc.

The little difference is that you earn 50-60k less for TV contract,but you have to spend something like 250-300k less in weekly salary...

7-0 in II.I Italy http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/37089/players.aspx

7-0 in II.1 Nippon http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/53426/players.aspx

7-0 in II.1 Nippon http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/53436/players.aspx


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 11/1/2010 12:09:28 PM

I would imagine that you need to take into consideration the difference in arena revenue too.

Do you expect that you can make more each week on average going 22-0 in Italy II.I with a full house compared to a Japan II.I series? I would expect the average STH in a Japan II series to be 50-75% of an Italian II.I (wild guess - but you catch my drift)

I would imagine that you need to take into consideration the difference in arena revenue too.

Do you expect that you can make more each week on average going 22-0 in Italy II.I with a full house compared to a Japan II.I series?

If the palace has the same size,with the same prices for the seats,the attendence is EXACTLY the same,and so the arena revenue

This mechanism was thought by BBs to allow the users all over the world to reach the same level,no matter the country they were in
And this mechanism would be fair,but the weak point of this system is that not in every country you have to spend the same money to reach a certain goal(win II div,reach the playoff in a III div and so on)

Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

Sure but take a league of 16 teams with an average 2500 STH (ie. Italy II) then take a league of 16 teams with an average STH of 1800 (Japan II).

Play these teams week in week out vs each other with same arena breakdowns and prices and I would bet that the Italian attendences work out to be slightly higher?

Slightly is a key word in this discussion.Because we could easily see the difference in the salaries and in Tv contract,and the relative weekly difference.Now,if this slightly difference,is small compared to the weekly difference we saw before(salaries-Tv contract),it means that however tanking is a much more easy tactic to play in Japan