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133577.17 in reply to 133577.15
Date: 3/10/2010 9:48:11 AM
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i would switch JR and JS in your proposal.


I would not swap them. I know you and many other managers in BB favour JS over JR and I think that works in many of the BB offenses. However, Princeton is not one of them. Unless you are running out the wrong players, jump shots in Princeton should be mostly of the 3 pt or long jump shot variety. This makes JR the most valuable shooting skill.

I would not ignore JS but JR is certainly weighted more in my mind than in a motion offense, for example.

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133577.18 in reply to 133577.16
Date: 3/10/2010 1:35:31 PM
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as you can see, my big men had many assists than the guards.



I think this is more a function of the crappy flow skills of your guards used in this game than anything to do with the Princeton offense.

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133577.20 in reply to 133577.18
Date: 3/10/2010 10:06:18 PM
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I definitely think that big men who pass well will have increased assists in the Princeton offense

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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133577.21 in reply to 133577.20
Date: 3/11/2010 1:04:47 AM
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what about this game..... (17988807)?
princeton supposed to be a more passing game...?my pg delivered 0 assists and my big men only 7....

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Date: 3/11/2010 2:54:59 AM
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Not sure if this was intentionally directed to me or not, but one game is a very small sample size. Maybe every incredibly sweet back door pass from your PG was dropped or the layup was missed. Or maybe your point guard was totally shut down by his defender. Who knows? It is one game. You would need maybe 100 or 1000 or 10000 games to begin to be able to make an accurate assessment of assists per tactic.
As far as my belief that Princeton causes an increased number of big man assists, your game seems to prove that point.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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133577.23 in reply to 133577.21
Date: 3/11/2010 2:55:12 AM
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Not sure if this was intentionally directed to me or not, but one game is a very small sample size. Maybe every incredibly sweet back door pass from your PG was dropped or the layup was missed. Or maybe your point guard was totally shut down by his defender. Who knows? It is one game. You would need maybe 100 or 1000 or 10000 games to begin to be able to make an accurate assessment of assists per tactic.
As far as my belief that Princeton causes an increased number of big man assists, your game seems to prove that point.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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Date: 3/11/2010 8:06:43 AM
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I definitely think that big men who pass well will have increased assists in the Princeton offense


Maybe, I am just saying that with his game I would not make that conclusion.

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133577.25 in reply to 133577.19
Date: 3/11/2010 8:20:48 AM
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this assumes that having JS<JR is a good idea to score threes. If I had 20 points to distribute between JS/JR and wanted a JR-favorable distribution, I'd probably do 10-10. I have never seen a player with like 7-13 be effective at all. By contrast, I have seen 13-7 score a ton of threes in the right tactical situations.


This goes for Plotts' examples, too, but it is really hard to talk about distributions like this without some context. I might be perfectly happy with a 13-7 SF up against a SF with 8 outside d. However, I would never play a 13-7 SG up against a guy with 14 outside d in an offense that is 3 pt heavy.

I have had pretty good success the past couple of seasons with a SG who has 15-14. I personally think the reason most people start to love the jump shot monsters is because they look at individual stats instead of looking at the big picture.

I do agree, though, that some balance is needed and that if I only had 20 pts I would probably go 10-10.

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133577.26 in reply to 133577.25
Date: 3/11/2010 6:46:07 PM
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well... it's very likely that all of us will agree that a 3-17 player is about to be shuted down by an OD of 6. Even is we only think of 3pt shots.

Will a 17-3 player be shuted down by an OD of 6?

The thing is JR needs JS to work (is the opposite true?). In fact, JR is a skill used to modulate the decrement of JS depending on distance. (So it is safe to assume JS decrease with distance increments).

Against an OD of 10 and thinking in long distance shots. What would be best?

A: 10-10
B: 11-9
C: 9-11

Why would you bother to have high JR if you don't have high JS? When you reach both (say 14-14) Wich is going to be more effective: 1 more JS or 1 more JR? (Against a OD of 15 and thinking in long distance shots).


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133577.27 in reply to 133577.26
Date: 3/11/2010 8:23:23 PM
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Great comments and I agree with all of them. Also some great questions to which I do not have the answers.

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