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Noone likes to spend $300.000 in a player when it can cost $100.000

Here's my solution. Don't spend $300k if you can get the same skills for $100k.

:)

Edited by dhoff (2/4/2008 5:17:22 PM CET)

Last edited by dhoff at 2/4/2008 5:17:20 PM

HT pulls off the TL system with a 3 min extension and I don't think I have ever seen a long pronounced discussion about it being too long or too short, or that buyers and/or sellers are being disadvantaged by it, in 3 years.

I'm on the 3 minute extension band-wagon after seeing it work quite well in HT and another soccer-sim I play. 5 minutes just draws out the process longer than is really necessary, IMO.

Personally, I don't care whether a player costs 300k or 100k, I'll stop bidding when I'm good and ready. But I'm not going to bid more than I need to in an attempt to make the auction end faster and drive up the price, and it's a HUGE pain to sit there and bid on the same for for 45 minutes only to let him go when his price gets out of reach.

I agree, there's no sense in wasting time.

I tend to think that, on average, players will go for the same price regardless of whether there are 3- or 5-minute intervals. If that's the case (and I assume that people will disagree) then 3 minutes will save everyone time and hurt no one.

I wouldn't advise that we go lower than 3 minutes, though, as I think it's important to have time to react once you've been outbid.

I agree with this. The main problem is that some jerks wait until the last minute of the 5 minutes to bid again just to string it out in the hopes that the other person will forget or something, which is ridiculously annoying.

I agree with this. The main problem is that some jerks wait until the last minute of the 5 minutes to bid again just to string it out in the hopes that the other person will forget or something, which is ridiculously annoying.

ha....when i used to trade a lot you sometimes had to do this (sad but true.) i also liked the timed pleas you used to get in your BB mail with 2 mins to go..... I really need him... (then 2 mins later he was TL at twice the price!)

so let the fun continue.... most bigger teams now will only be fighting for the top players that appear as they have the money. Most top Div temas probably wont be looking at players with 6k wages and below for much longer and the transfer deflation we have seen in recent weeks will mean people playing petty games for players worth less than 250k...

as someone said.... you continue til the price is too high for you to carry on...

I still don't get it for LA-Damena, he has enough to spend but is anoyed by the time, then why don't he bid much higher to start with, so no one will overbid? It would take 5 minutes, not 30.

you want us to overbid to cover up for a flaw in the game? I definetely do not agree with that. Now I am personaly even mroe convinced: Time extensions should be smaller, period.

I don't want anyone to overbid. Just bid your price, period.
no overbidding, nor underbidding.

What everyone, who wants to reduce the time, wants is that they could underbid and get the player because other bidders get less time to react.

I say again, as long as players bid again, the price for the player is not reached.

There are realy only 2 ways to bid correctly here: either hope you get a player prety cheap, and just bid enough to have the high bid, but expect it to take time, since chances are big someone else will bid too.
Or bid a decent price to start with, bid again maybe 1 or max 2 times up to your high bid. This can only take 15 mins max!!

If you can't stop bidding when you reach your max, you're not doing anything too good, if you don't want to spend time, and your max bid is 300 k, but you bid 100k, then 110k then 120k then 130k,... you are doning not so great either...

3 minutes extension instead of 5 indeed will shorten the process, but there is no need to shorten it this way, you can shorten it by much more just by starting with a decent bid...

shortening the 5 minutes will only harm the sellers. Bidders can either take their time, or bid high enough to begin with, but ofcourse never higher than you intend to pay for the player.

3 minutes extension instead of 5 indeed will shorten the process,

Exactly, it will shorten the process, which is a good thing. I don't think one of the requirements for being successful at BB is the ability to be online for 45 minutes at a time.

but there is no need to shorten it this way, you can shorten it by much more just by starting with a decent bid...

There is definitely a need, if you don't have the time to sit there and bid for 30 minutes. You can say to start with a decent bid, but the truth is that very few people know what a "decent bid" is. The market fluctuates incredibly - just the other day I saw a 19 yo guard going for 700k, and he had the same skills of an 18 yo guy I just bought for 250k the day before. What happened? 1) no one knows the real market value of players, since the game is so young and 2) a bidding war.

Also, I think it's flawed to say that people have to bid a certain way just because the TL extension time demands it. I should have the ability (as a shrewd manager) to try and get players for as little as I can, and not have to bid 50-75% of my max bid right away.

Also, keep in mind that not everyone has the same amount of money in the bank. If I want to buy a player who costs around 500k, and there are three players on the market, I'd like to place a small starting bid on them so they appear on my bids page and I can track them (I don't have supporter). But if I were to place a "decent starting bid" of 250k on all three guys, I wouldn't be able to.

The bottom line is that there's no reason to extend the bidding time five minutes unless the goal of the BBs is to: 1) create bidding wars and drive up prices 2) keep people on the site for long periods of time 3) gain more impressions on the site to generate more ad revenue by increasing the number of times the page is reloaded

3 minutes extension instead of 5 indeed will shorten the process, but there is no need to shorten it this way, you can shorten it by much more just by starting with a decent bid...

shortening the 5 minutes will only harm the sellers. Bidders can either take their time, or bid high enough to begin with, but of course never higher than you intend to pay for the player.

Considering 3 minutes works just fine in HT, I don't know how your can make the argument. Not buddy in HT is complaining that its too short or that the seller isn't getting the market value.

I really don't see why there is any need to prolong the bidding process -- let's just save everybody a little time.


Steve
Go Bruins!

I really don't see why there is any need to prolong the bidding process -- let's just save everybody a little time.

indeed, and the same goes for the opposite, their is no need to lengthen, nor shorten anything here.
The only thing that is asked for is giving BBs a litlle more work than they already have, even if this would be very easely and fastly done.

there is no value what-so-ever in lengthening or shortening it. The sugestion is made for 3 minutes, why, because that is what it is in hattrick.

Why not make it 2 minutes?
why not 4?
why not 1?

BB decided it should be 5, and there is nothing wrong with it, so why would they spend time adapting it? Because an other game has it? didn't think so, because this takes to long, didn't think so... unless you, and all other bidders choose it to take long (if 1 bidder decides it shouldn't take long, he bids what he wants to spend, and likely gets the players since the vultures see no interesting prey anymore. If 2 players are truly interested and don't wait for the five minutes to almost end before they bid in the hopes the others would get tired of it, it won't take so long... So just don't play along with their game, play your own bidwar, if you don't like it to be timeconsuming, bid with bigger amounts at a time, and bid imediatly, you'll soon enough notice bidding doesn't take that long at all.
Fluctuations in the market? so what, is your maximum you want to spend on a player fluctuating from day to day? I guess not. Oh yes I try to buy them cheap as well, but I don't complaint if I need to spend much time doing so, also if I don't have time, or don't want to spend time and don't get the guy, I'm not upset, I wait for a next opportunity.

I am SO sure that if they would change it to 3, there still will be bidders comming in the last 10 seconds and bid again, it will be just a matter of time when players start asking to shorten it to 2 minutes to avoid those last-10-second-bidders.
Newsflash, they won't disapear, whatever the extension, they will always bid in the final 2 seconds hoping that you think you have the player and you don't saw them bid again. That is the tactic they use. Let me tell you, the shorter the extension is, the more this tactic is going to be used, since the shorter the reaction time of opponents, the more chance of succes they have.

I also realise that there will stay stuborn people that want to 'hattrickise' the bid extension nonetheless, It has to be, and it will be 3 minutes, because that is the way it should have been all along!

2 minutes might work too. All you really need is enough time for other bidders to get the updated bid and respond. No reason to drag it out any longer than possible.

Steve