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Top (NT-)centers are sold for next to nothing and thats not how the market should treat those players.

Because they're not worth more than that.
Correlation of their skills value to their costs (wage) determines their market price.
So, price of the transfer is low because the buyer will pay additional costs (not hidden) caused by monstrous wage of the player.
The higher wage of the player you create the less money will get to your treasure house.
Simple as that.

And they're playing in NT mostly because they're trained in 3 to 4 skills.
3 to 4 out of 12.

Last edited by Hawkeyed at 8/12/2011 12:14:31 PM

Top (NT-)centers are sold for next to nothing and thats not how the market should treat those players.

Because they're not worth more than that.
Correlation of their skills value to their costs (wage) determines their market price.

Are you kiddin me? lol what a stupid set phrase.

A market price is always the result of supply and demand and nothing more nothing less. Demand is low because almost nobody can afford these players and they are the swagmen of this game.

If those "3 or 4" skill players really were that bad they would be replaced in their NTs by some 180k centers with higher B-skills.

They're not that bad.
Like you mentioned - demand for that kind of players with that kind of wages is low.
For many league levels they're just overskilled in those 3 or 4 skills.

I remember the time (couple seasons ago) when almost nobody wanted that kind of players - I've seen all of them in V or IV Divisions. There was no need to have them in the roster.
But BB is getting more and more competitive - each season.
Now you can see a lot of high-wage C's in many top league teams.
Not only because they are able to afford them.
But mostly because they want to be competitive.

Last edited by Hawkeyed at 8/12/2011 12:23:24 PM

This market is not a real problem if you buy and sell at the same time.
The black hole is here: (182720.139)
Anyway it really make no sense to buy a 18 yo paying him a lot of money cause if the market will not change you'll never get back the money invested. In any case I still continue to consider the draft an unfair way to make some gift to some random teams.

Outstanding players but affordable players, by anyone. Affordable players, 95%+ of the market.

Which centers ? The freaks or the sustainable ones ?
How much is next to nothing ? Is more than a million next to nothing ? You simply don't know or don't remember how much is worth a million for 95% of the users.

The market for 200k centers is small, only D.I teams can afford them. How many 200k centers and how many teams with the desire and the finances to have one ? I don't know the actual numbers but from the looks of it, these centers are flooding the market.
The freaks are another completely different issue.
Hundreds of users scan and scrutinize the TL daily. If you can't sell a high wage player it's because he is not desirable for that price at the present time. You can trust the market on that one.

And salary is an important part of the deal, look, when you replace your trainer, you are willing to bid higher for a lower wage trainer because you have worked out you save money in the long term.
Higher wages don't mean automatic higher bids for players. And that's without even starting to discuss skill values.

If the market for 200k centers is small, whats with the market for 200k guards? Bigger, smaller or same size? Why are those players much more expensive? Sustainability is the same problem for those guys, innit?

Market or centers is vey large but the are very expensive beacuse centers are very easy to train as they need less training only 4 parts (Reb, ID, SB, IS) thats why they get high salary and managers put them on TL on high amount. But market for good guards is smaller then centers but yes they are not much expensive like centers.

If the market for 200k centers is small, whats with the market for 200k guards? Bigger, smaller or same size? Why are those players much more expensive? Sustainability is the same problem for those guys, innit?

Because number of Centers with big salary is higher than number of Guards.
Market for 200k+ Centers and 200k+ Guards is the same. But different is number of players on these positions.
In game we have on every position following number of players with salary over 200k:
33 x PG
47 x SG
1 x SF
25 x PF
332 x C
Demand is the same but supply of C is 10 twice higher than supply of PG. And we see simple mechanism of demand and supply.
And multiskilled PFs (and Cs too), with salary over 200k but with sum of 10 basic skills over 110 are expensive on TL the same as Guards.

Last edited by B.B.King at 8/12/2011 6:56:08 PM

Demand is the same but supply of C is 10 twice higher than supply of PG. And we see simple mechanism of demand and supply.

Thats what I am saying all the time. And how come the amount of centers is 10 times bigger? I bet one of the reasons are those free agents that flood the market for seasons now, somebody should have monitored the amount of those players...

Did a little checking. How many centers above 150k/wk on the market right now are free agents? 0 out of 66. So while there might possibly be some tenuous link between free agents and plethora of expensive big men, I don't see it. It is because centers are easiest to train, and your average internet user likes easy things. Besides which, he doesn't understand about cost-effectiveness, just that a guy with three gold or green skills is gonna whip ass in his d.3 league. Then when the salary update comes around he sees that he can't afford that guy anymore so he sells him and starts another.