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226711.17 in reply to 226711.16
Date: 9/10/2012 6:11:58 PM
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True, but I still have 19-20 in ID but the LI tactic beat them, even if I play M2M or 2-3..

I don't like this, but the engine work on that way...



Apparently it's not the game engine that's the problem but in the builds that have been trained. The BB's have stated that the way to counter LI is with a 2-3 zone AND high shotblocking, not just high ID. You need both.

Unfortunately everyone stopped training SB many seasons ago so finding top players that fit this description is very difficult. In fact, we find that most of the top bigs in BB have IS as their highest (or 2nd highest) primary skill and SB as their lowest, so as a result 2-3 appears to be broken and LI appears to be impossible to stop.

All that said, I still think the BB's could and should tweak the game engine to adapt for this.

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226711.18 in reply to 226711.16
Date: 9/10/2012 6:20:41 PM
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So I just went to the transfer wire. I picked Centers/PF's with salaries over $170,000 a week, here were the results.

23/29 had IS as either the top of their 4 primary skills or tied for the top.

28/29 had SB as either the lowest of their 4 primary skills or tied for the lowest.

0/29 times was SB higher than IS with these players.

So basically, it's almost impossible to find out if SB and a 2-3 zone can stop LI offense because you can't currently build that type of team and everyone has already gone overboard on training IS in order to play this offense.

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226711.19 in reply to 226711.18
Date: 9/10/2012 6:32:54 PM
Spartan 300
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The SB has not so important role like IS, ID, RB, or do you think in another way?

Do you rather have a player with IS 19 and SB 7, or a player with IS 12 and SB 14? Its an easy choice I think.

If you have a strong ID your player don't need to block the shoot, he can defend normal and don't let the offensive player to score.

What I'm trying to say, 2-3 zone should be much more efficiently vs Inside Tactics.. need higher ratings than now in your ID.

This is where we hold them!
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226711.20 in reply to 226711.19
Date: 9/10/2012 6:51:48 PM
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Shot Blocking is the future.
Managers in BB need an urgent change of mind.

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226711.21 in reply to 226711.20
Date: 9/10/2012 6:55:12 PM
Spartan 300
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Hmm have you some arguments?

How good is SB at your 2 C?

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226711.22 in reply to 226711.19
Date: 9/10/2012 7:12:49 PM
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I think you're missing what I'm trying to say here.

What you are arguing is exactly how most BB managers think right now. Myself included.

What the BB's have been trying to tell us recently is that everyone has been thinking somewhat incorrectly and building too many similar bigs with high IS and low SB, and this is why 2-3 appears to be broken and LI appears to be unstoppable.

I'm not the judge, I'm just the messenger.

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226711.23 in reply to 226711.22
Date: 9/10/2012 7:19:58 PM
Spartan 300
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9-11 SB on my Bigs is not so low, or you think it should be much more for stop the LI?

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226711.24 in reply to 226711.23
Date: 9/10/2012 7:24:48 PM
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9-11 SB on my Bigs is not so low, or you think it should be much more for stop the LI?


It's not low for the current school of thought, but I'm willing to bet that it's lower than the IS, IS and RB on every one of your bigs?

So how would you expect your 9-11 SB to stop the 17-20 IS of your opponents when you play 2-3 zone? I'm guessing thats the problem that the BB's have identified that has been completely ignored by the users for the past 21 seasons.


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226711.25 in reply to 226711.24
Date: 9/10/2012 7:30:15 PM
Spartan 300
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So how would you expect your 9-11 SB to stop the 17-20 IS of your opponents when you play 2-3 zone?

Hmm I expect that my 19-20 ID stop the 17-20 IS of my opponent.

So now is m2m better function then 2-3 vs LI... Make the 2-3 zone stronger, that's what they need to do.

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226711.27 in reply to 226711.23
Date: 9/10/2012 7:36:08 PM
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9-11 is really low. You can compare it to 9-11 on JS for guard or PS for playmakers. Especially that SB level is too low if those players are playing againts IS over 15. The problem is that nobody even think about reducing IS in their players, because it's well-known that's so important. What if SB is even more important than IS? If we take a look at guards we can see that defense is cheaper than attack. That's we can see players with OD 18+ in NTs and B3 and they stop high JS. With SB could be the same thing. SB 18+ may stop high IS. Defence is cheaper than attack, but... nobody trains it :)

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